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Feb 10 2023 05:14pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 11 2023 12:06am)
Red Cross, also doing actions for them. Seriously you slow down on personal attacks: we are talking about all the executions, mass murders, genocides, we have in the bible.
This is why this book has no place in a modern democracy.


K then, good job. Keep up the great work.

Quote (addone @ Feb 11 2023 05:27am)
How can birds plants animals and babies and peaceful tribes and many of good people who have no idea that Christianity existed at the time? How do you justify the murderous deity that tells you all children must be exterminated both born and unborn. Imagine someone deciding right now that every child and mother on earth needs to be murdered. Also Noah's flood didn't happen on global scale. Maybe a local flooding in Iraq region where it was believed to be. Pseudo-science theorycrafting of global flood only comes from religious people on hopium that want to desperately validate their book of stories. It's equivalent to flat earthers trying to prove that their model of the world is flat.

How is that immortality promise working out for your family? Bet you all your great great parents died or on their last legs. It's all a lie


We can only give you milk and not meat until you understand. From now on we cannot and will not move forward until you understand the doctrine of sin.

Genesis 6:12-13
King James Version
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Romans 6:23
New International Version
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Psalm 14:1-3
New International Version
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.


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Feb 10 2023 05:43pm
Quote (CPK001 @ 11 Feb 2023 00:14)
K then, good job. Keep up the great work.


Thanks and I that think everyone should know that the bible is filled with murders and genocides that we should never blindly trust people quoting it.
God and Jesus deserve much more than these crooks.
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Feb 10 2023 05:56pm
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 10 2023 03:43pm)
Thanks and I that think everyone should know that the bible is filled with murders and genocides that we should never blindly trust people quoting it.
God and Jesus deserve much more than these crooks.


hahha much of the bible is a historical record of horrible things man did. and since you dont know squat about whats going on nobody should blindly trust you when you talk about it.
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Feb 10 2023 08:14pm
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 11 2023 12:14pm)
K then, good job. Keep up the great work.



We can only give you milk and not meat until you understand. From now on we cannot and will not move forward until you understand the doctrine of sin.

Genesis 6:12-13
King James Version
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

Romans 6:23
New International Version
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Psalm 14:1-3
New International Version
The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.

The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
All have turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.


Well if you assume that all babies and all animals and plants were corrupted then sure I suppose you can murder anyone and anything with impunity. This premise also suggests that people are predestined to be evil and cannot be saved and must be killed off. Maybe Christians need to be purged from the planet and all their women and children including pets and even their gardens must be destroyed. Maybe because they are full of original sin and need to be sacrificed.

How about it, you volunteering to jump off a cliff? You are a sinner why wait for death when you can be with your God today?
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Feb 10 2023 08:55pm
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Well if you assume that all babies and all animals and plants were corrupted then sure I suppose you can murder anyone and anything with impunity. This premise also suggests that people are predestined to be evil and cannot be saved and must be killed off. Maybe Christians need to be purged from the planet and all their women and children including pets and even their gardens must be destroyed. Maybe because they are full of original sin and need to be sacrificed.

How about it, you volunteering to jump off a cliff? You are a sinner why wait for death when you can be with your God today?


so pious even outraged on behalf of the plants
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Feb 10 2023 09:00pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Feb 11 2023 08:56am)
if you made an effort to understand scripture as intended by the author you wouldnt have the time for cheesy arguments. typical antitheist piety


I'll take it you don't understand basic science. Also why are there so many sects and versions of Christians and the bible? This suggests that Christians can't even agree amongst themselves what the bible means. They can't even agree who wrote the bible lol. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible#:~:text=Traditionally%20these%20books%20were%20considered,first%20assembled%20the%20separate%20sources.

"Believers in the Bible generally consider it to be a product of divine inspiration, but the way they understand what that means and interpret the text can vary."

"Christianity began as an outgrowth of Judaism, using the Septuagint as the basis of the Old Testament."

"The Bible was written and compiled by many people, most of whom are unknown, from a variety of disparate cultures."

Looks like you can't even understand scripture yourself.

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Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 11 2023 09:43am)
Thanks and I that think everyone should know that the bible is filled with murders and genocides that we should never blindly trust people quoting it.
God and Jesus deserve much more than these crooks.


Yes, I mean the Romans brutally killed Jesus when he did nothing to deserve it. Saul went around persecuting Christians.

Even Cain murdered his own Brother, Abel out of jealousy.

Quote (addone @ Feb 11 2023 12:14pm)
Well if you assume that all babies and all animals and plants were corrupted then sure I suppose you can murder anyone and anything with impunity. This premise also suggests that people are predestined to be evil and cannot be saved and must be killed off. Maybe Christians need to be purged from the planet and all their women and children including pets and even their gardens must be destroyed. Maybe because they are full of original sin and need to be sacrificed.

How about it, you volunteering to jump off a cliff? You are a sinner why wait for death when you can be with your God today?


Yep, we all descend from Adam and so we all inherit the original sin. As a result our human nature is to turn against our creator and want nothing to do with God.

The consequences of such actions are disastrous.

Just like you right now. You are rebelling against your creator and you want nothing to do with God. You'll come up with any and every excuse to not worship Him. Is that not what sin is? Sin is not allowing Jesus to be the King of our lives when we instead want to wear the crown.

Is that not what the temptation back in Genesis 3 was? "You will be like God, knowing good and evil." You are part of the problem, you cannot save yourself. You also deserve to die, you also need forgiveness.

Do you know of even one person who has never sinned?

You want to talk about taking a life?

Genesis 9:5-6

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

As you can plainly read, there will be judgement for murdering another human. That's why those who do a murder-suicide simply got a fast trackment to judgement. They got away with nothing.

My purpose here on Earth is to tell people about our Saviour, Jesus. That's one thing you cannot do in Heaven, so why not do that here on Earth while you still can? Besides, the fact that you are asking me to jump off a cliff, you have already committed murder in your heart.

This is why it's very dangerous for you to be ruler of your own life, you simply want to see all Christians die. Is this not you wanting a worldwide flood to rid the world? Suddenly it's okay for you to wish such a thing but God can't?
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Feb 11 2023 03:04am
Quote (CPK001 @ Feb 11 2023 08:56pm)
Yes, I mean the Romans brutally killed Jesus when he did nothing to deserve it. Saul went around persecuting Christians.

Even Cain murdered his own Brother, Abel out of jealousy.



Yep, we all descend from Adam and so we all inherit the original sin. As a result our human nature is to turn against our creator and want nothing to do with God.

The consequences of such actions are disastrous.

Just like you right now. You are rebelling against your creator and you want nothing to do with God. You'll come up with any and every excuse to not worship Him. Is that not what sin is? Sin is not allowing Jesus to be the King of our lives when we instead want to wear the crown.

Is that not what the temptation back in Genesis 3 was? "You will be like God, knowing good and evil." You are part of the problem, you cannot save yourself. You also deserve to die, you also need forgiveness.

Do you know of even one person who has never sinned?

You want to talk about taking a life?

Genesis 9:5-6

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

As you can plainly read, there will be judgement for murdering another human. That's why those who do a murder-suicide simply got a fast trackment to judgement. They got away with nothing.

My purpose here on Earth is to tell people about our Saviour, Jesus. That's one thing you cannot do in Heaven, so why not do that here on Earth while you still can? Besides, the fact that you are asking me to jump off a cliff, you have already committed murder in your heart.

This is why it's very dangerous for you to be ruler of your own life, you simply want to see all Christians die. Is this not you wanting a worldwide flood to rid the world? Suddenly it's okay for you to wish such a thing but God can't?


Next time you talk in absolutes and unproven theories please include "in my opinion" or "the book that I believe in tells me" or "in Christian theory".

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Next time you talk in absolutes and unproven theories please include "in my opinion" or "the book that I believe in tells me" or "in Christian theory".


We all descend from Adam and so we all inherit the original sin. As a result our human nature is to turn against our creator and want nothing to do with God.

The consequences of such actions are disastrous.

Just like you right now. You are rebelling against your creator and you want nothing to do with God. You'll come up with any and every excuse to not worship Him. Is that not what sin is? Sin is not allowing Jesus to be the King of our lives when we instead want to wear the crown.

Is that not what the temptation back in Genesis 3 was? "You will be like God, knowing good and evil." You are part of the problem, you cannot save yourself. You also deserve to die, you also need forgiveness.

Do you know of even one person who has never sinned?

You want to talk about taking a life?

Genesis 9:5-6

And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

As you can plainly read, there will be judgement for murdering another human. That's why those who do a murder-suicide simply got a fast trackment to judgement. They got away with nothing.

My purpose here on Earth is to tell people about our Saviour, Jesus. That's one thing you cannot do in Heaven, so why not do that here on Earth while you still can? Besides, the fact that you are asking me to jump off a cliff, you have already committed murder in your heart.

This is why it's very dangerous for you to be ruler of your own life, you simply want to see all Christians die. Is this not you wanting a worldwide flood to rid the world? Suddenly it's okay for you to wish such a thing but God can't?
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Feb 11 2023 08:32am
Quote (Meanwhile @ Feb 10 2023 05:57am)
Imagine if i was spporting anti-vax or other divisive, murdering, conspiracies.
The debate is not about me or you, it's about all the genocides and mass murders ordered or made by God in the Bible.


imagine having long term research to even make a valid point about conspiracy theoriests. its far more dangerous to insinuate that the bible is responsible for evil when the only real valid point you could make is the evil that made the bible is responsible for evil if that be true. Aka youre making the same logical incongruency that anti gun activists make when they say take away the guns and there will be no more violence. The bible isnt the issue its spiritual entanglement and atleast the bible represents the long withstanding cultural norm that this mindset was/is very real. sociologists who actually study the cultural unbiasly have already documented the researchshowing that all societies/cultures but 2 have subscribed to the long withstanding perception that evil spirits are real and that they cause illness in the human experience. Its only the past 100 years you have cultures persecuting spiritual talk. for this reason dsm is far more responsible for modern chaos than the bible based on your own reasoning imo. you now have doctors acting like their former patients yet still diagnosing, its an asbolute circus and yet the modern culture believes in the medical paradigm despite its apparent fraudulent nature.

anti v4x exposes hi tech risky shift behaviors of an unsuspecting global populus being puppetteered in a trickle down fashion from these elite social deviants in power.
i got vaccines for two decades and they never prevented the flu. the government should be ashamed of themselves for handing peole masks and needles and giving people a very harmful false sense of security. social distancing was the most important advice and it wasnt enforced in buildings. I'd never say hey the way you get stronger is by consuming inert germs and injecting them directly into your blood to overcome illness let alone rna replicas of dnas material. its not believable and never was. IQ/common sense test imo.

Quote (addone @ Feb 10 2023 02:06am)
Imagine a deity creating the entire universe, giving man free will then wiping almost entirety of human race, babies distant peaceful tribes and villages and animals and then plants just because he didn't like how a small few were excersing their free will. Could just make the bad guys disappear or even a few unfortunate accidents nope has to wipe entire planet clean. Ofc this is all completely made up but these guys really playing some Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify how it's a good thing and how this omnipotent God handles the situation in the most reckless and incompetent way possible. It might aswell be kim Jong Un sitting up there with his finger on the red button.


To this day we have people say that whenever covid, earthquake, war or some other man/nature disaster happens its because the sinners are being punished by God. They under the illusion that when it rains there is no cloud over their heads that their deity favours them.

They get hit by cars, and die of cancer or drop dead of a heart attack just like the rest of us. There is no everlasting life the one they call Jesus promised them it's 100% death rate always has been for thousands of years. Religion was designed to sell hopium and to control the masses by the church. The rest are unfortunate souls that had to navigate and endure it.


to this day you have people saying its because evolution and that people just arent grown up enough yet the populus is actively devolving or digressing, its an illusory point your drawing between the bible as the problem. for most people the bible inspires them to see the positive and in my opinion the actuality is that its allowing them to be naively strung along just like everyone else. To blame the guys handing out food cans at the churches for lifes problems would be very misguided.
I try not imagining dark things. you should honestly relish your superiority over most Christians by not playing into the inferiority complex of bible scapegoating. its obvious the bible is absurdly contradicting in many parts. but the hard work of still honoring the christian mind set is far more important than touting gospel scripts as omnipotent. aka continue to improve yourself and others in a sincere way or your equally as guilty as the luke warm christians in their own standard.

the gymnastics is contingent upon the upfront work, after its all justified its not really hard to grasp. the issue being the bible has no mental gymnasium to support its lack of feeling regarding said god.
the bible is clearly narrated by a mostly heartless mindset or was not properly communicative of the perceptual intelligence that would validate the claim that it was inspired by og god who would have been very emotional, perceptual, and with feeling to support its human creation that has propencity to house such things. the bibles atypical cerebral concepting is made invalid by lack of human touch if not images. Its a compass you have to fix to find any direction.

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