hope that's just you being lazy, because that's not at all what i said, lol.

Of course it does. That's the nature of a worst case scenario with a nationwide overburdened healthcare system in which every allocation by the national government effectively implies triaging, one way or the other.


Anyway, population density is itself just an imperfect proxy for spread potential. The virus has more potential to spread the more close personal contacts there are in a given area. So for example, a city with lots of public transport will be at more risk than a car-centric one with comparable density. And a small town where the entire town met at a festival might be at more risk than a big city. Here in Europe, many corona-hotspots can be traced back to singular mass events; and we have quite some hotspots in rural, small-town regions.

Another factor to keep in mind is that hospitals and clinics tend to be clustered in the large cities and thus in high-pop-density areas. The number of hospital beds per 10k inhabitants is certainly higher in NYC than in most rural places.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 8 2020 10:59am

yes a music festival in bumfuck nowhere could infect 100 people in a single night, and that could be half their population. and the same could happen in NYC from a single subway ride uptown.

honestly ya'll just sound like you're spinning your wheels trying to explain why it was smart for Trump to make a calculated bet not to send ventilators to NYC, even tho those ventilators also havent been direly needed or sent elsewhere.

did trump get burned not sending them? nope. did it really do anyone any good not to? no not really. unless you have some credible info on where else the vents were sent, i havent seen that.

Yeah, and the regional hospital in bumfuck will immediately crumble under the burden of those 100 infected, because it was never intended to handle such a massive outbreak relative to the population in its area.




Too early to tell. The good that came from withholding the ventilators while NYC did not need them is retaining preparedness for outbreaks in other parts of the country. And the verdict on that one is not in yet.

Enough with the hair-splitting.

Here's something eerily prescient that Dr. Anthony Fauci said in an intervew about a year ago:



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dr-fauci-has-been-dreading-a-pandemic-like-covid-19-for-years/



This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 8 2020 11:14am

if 100 people get infected perhaps 3-5 will be seriously infected and need hospitalization. NYC gets a new subway coming along every 5 mins, and Deblasio took way too long to shut shit down.

people seem to like to forget that for weeks now it's been 100% incalculable how many would get infected and die in NYC, where as the intangibles in many other places are far lower.

its pretty simple, trump took a big gamble on NYC not getting ventilators, and so far hasn't lost his investment. but as of yet it's unclear if it will pay any interest. they just sent GM a 490$m contract to make ventilators, if they can turn them around quickly not only with the withheld ventilators not be needed but we're burning cash to GM. NYC only got 1/3rd of what they asked for, so 2/3rds are out there somewhere. but we're also giving any corporation that can make them cash to do so, hand over fist. so trump was conservative with NYC but wants to hedge his bets with billions to corporations for the nationwide effort? or maybe he wants to toss cash at corporations to save his economy when/where he can and was more than happy to let NYC potentially get fucked. yeah.... thats it.



bill gates called it out years ago in a Tedtalks as well.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 8 2020 11:15am

Sorry, but that's really short-sighted. The more ventilators we have at our disposal, the more people can get infected at once without dying or overburdening the healthcare system - and this, in turn, allows for more of the economic and public life to resume. In the medium term, the more ventilators there are, the less painful the tradeoff between the loss of GDP and the loss of human life will be.

And it should of course be kept in mind that the rest of the world will also be going through this crisis, with less preexisting ventilators and resources. Even if the US now produces more of them than they themselves need, the excess ventilators can easily be exported to Europe/East Asia, or donated to third world countries which will gladly take them.

did you seriously just suggest that Trump will donate ventilators he's paying corporations literal billions to make to 3rd world countries, lol.

You could say it's me being lazy (I call it being efficient), but I never read your posts if they're longer than a sentence. You may as well not exist to me on this forum. So no, I didn't read your post.

if there really is no better or more lucrative use for them, why not?
he can always claim that these ventilator donations will be set off against other humanitarian aid payments or something like that.