in a scenario where it lasts months, it will get very very very messy.

dishonest take is dishonest. israel's illegal and cruel ACTIONS, its violations of international law and human rights are not retro-actively "justified" by the radical RHETORIC of those oppressed by it.

if you abduct your neighbour and lock him into your basement, and he threatens to kill you, you can't then turn around and say "i was right to imprison you, you're a violent savage".

again, anyone who suggests that a palestinian STATE would actually try to wage war against the overwhelming military power of israel is either completely clueless or outright lying. iran is an infinitely more powerful state than palestine could ever be, and they hate israel's guts - but they would NEVER actually attack them, because they know how badly that would backfire given the nukes and the allies israel has. we've been over this, you dishonest apartheid apologist. how often do you want that moronic talking point to be publicly debunked?

Iran just attacked Israel by proxy. Hamas, an actual Palestinian state, just did invade Israeli territory.

"Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?"

you're literally just uncritically regurgitating ethnic cleansing propaganda. israel has the means and the know-how to eliminate terrorists all over the world with surgical precision, and they have demonstrated that countless times. to suggest that in order to eliminate some lightly armed terrorist right on their doorstep, in a small area that is completely under israel's control and surveillance, they have to slaughter thousands of women and children, to flatten a whole city and deliberately starve an already destitute population, is completely disingenuous and cruel. you're making excuses for the vengeful war crimes of an apartheid regime.

One of the most densely populated areas on the planet. Hamas is embedded in civilian populations, intentionally. They have infrastructure used to attack Israel built into and underneath civilian structures.
This is not a game of call of duty.

Do you think Israel does not use intelligence? Do you think the strikes are not targeted?
If so that assumes that Israel has an infinite stockpile of munitions, that they can indiscriminately bomb entire areas without specific targeting. Which is false.

If your suggesting the attacks are not targeted, would we not expect far greater numbers of casualties? 2 million people live in an 8 miles wide and 40 miles long on average. That is apparently 15,000 people per square mile.
If the attacks are as indiscriminate as some suggest, many more casualties would have been incurred.

Also your conflating two issues here. One is the long-term political peace between Israel and Palestine. The other is the undertaking of a war; A war started by Hamas' heinous attack.

Everyone can theorize and hope for a lasting peace settlement, but we have to understand that Israel's focus is removing a threat on their border and conducting a full scale war, potentially on two fronts.
Its obvious that Israel is focused on that, and not on the day after so to speak.

If Hamas had been more focused on a lasting peace, than on planning a massive terrorist attack then perhaps things would be different already.



Very naive and idealistic view of the situation imo.

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 29 2023 10:57am

its against islam to own property

Btw "terrorists (which we initially partially funded to prevent peace)"

Jesus these f. bitches.

Israeli intelligence is so precise that a thousand Jews are dead because of it. Gaza is completely under Israel's control, which is why Hamas just invaded Israel from Gaza.

It's amazing, how can you be so obviously wrong and not realize it?

I’ve done expecting people like him to realise anything the second Israel actually gave the people of Gaza the keys and left the strip, evacuating thousands of people in the way that our country never truely recovered. And it is still not enough because “you control the borders” or “you control the supply”. BS all the way lol

many sources say israel has indeed been warned, that netanyahu did have intelligence about an imminent attack. be that as it may, what is certain, and not at all a "secret" is that netanyahu deliberately and actively supported hamas in order to keep fatah / plo down, that he made a deliberate calculation that occasional attacks from radicals are a price he's willing to pay in order to keep support for occupation / settlement / apartheid policies high. that's not a conspiracy, that's a known fact in israel.

again, israel has proven time and again that they can absolutely find out where alleged terrorists and political opponents hide and eliminate them without slaughtering thousands of children. doesn't mean they can prevent every single attack (although without netanyahu's cold political games they surely could have prevented more), but they could surely do a much better job preventing civilian casualties. i mean, it doesn't get much clearer than just cutting power and water to the whole of gaza. there is no easier way to identify you're not "targeting" enemy combatants, but rather punishing a whole population, than employing such measures that will predictably and reliably hurt the weak and vulnerable the most.

imagine making excuses for such war crimes...

This post was edited by fender on Oct 29 2023 11:39am