there is not any conclusive evidence to support the latter of your statement. but alot of evidence of people who wish to deny people the ability to vote by mail because they believe that will give republicans an edge

i disagree with the coincidence, although i admit the contrast itself does lead the media and others to make more of the differences than perhaps there is.

the backlash against the Obama era, be it racist or simple just antiestablishment (of which racist is far less effectual), is the reason Trump won. he rode the wave of being anti obama right into the white house, and many of his platform staples (harsh on ghetto crime, anti immigration, etc) can at the same time be real policy concerns for mainstream republican's and through trump's harsh rhetoric a call to action for racists. trump was great at making people rile up, and racists are permanently riled up, so of course he was the flame to these moths.



i am firmly in favor of the electoral college but believe that any measure that will adversely reduce the total number of legitimate votes counted is by design a bad and undemocratic law. we should be able to and can in many cases find ways to identify fraudulent ballots without adversely restricting voter access for legitimate voters.

I agree that there were some racist Trump supporters, as there are some racists for any supporter. All racists are also not just white, they come in all colors.


You've never lost something in the mail or had it tampered with? It's kinda common sense that human error would be increased due to a higher amount of mail being sent. It's common sense kinda like if someone is born with a penis, then that person is a male.

the presence of racists in all support groups is a moot point, its true to the point of common sense. what we can look at is the proportion of racists in Trump's core versus other groups. He undoubtedly had more than GWB, but undoubtedly has less than say Mitch McConnel or Lindsay Graham given the more racially divisive state level politics in the south.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 14 2021 11:40am

That's also assuming that all racists make it public that they are racists though. There are many people that may support other candidates and simply don't make it public and/or wear a hat about it. Kinda like how BLM has destroyed a couple billion in property and have hurt many people. But it's okay because if someone says "all lives matter" that is somehow magically racist when in reality, "all lives matter" is literally saying that all lives matter. People have gone full snowflake these days and it's so silly to me. And I'm not calling you a snowflake, just to clarify.

This post was edited by net on Oct 14 2021 11:45am

isnt the fact that racist supporters of Trump are more open about being racist in support of trump than they were of say George Bush a valid and interesting topic?

the electoral college suppresses votes by its very existence and very much falls in line with the voter suppression tactics i am against

both a popular vote system and electoral college suppress votes in different ways. you've got ur poison i've got mine.

If Trump is to blame for the racists coming out to play publicly, then he can also be to blame for the psychopaths from QAnon. If Trump didn't say out of his mouth, "C'mon racists, fuck these non-white people," then I don't see how he can be to blame for all of it. That's all I'm saying.


Voting in general feels rigged AF to me and we're screwed by the elected puppets regardless. Slavery has been going on for thousands of years all over the world regardless of color and has simply gone more incognito than before.

This post was edited by net on Oct 14 2021 11:50am

while this may be true, my vote for the entirety of my post 18 life meant nothing, because im from a strictly red district and unless i voted red, it would never mean anything

i would bet that if it was determined by popular vote alone many many more people would vote per election. we have lesser governments for the districts, the electoral college is abused and has only benefitted one side for a long time now