Trump lost for sure.

The bar was set low for Biden - he just had to show that he was a living breathing human being with some mental capacity. He did that (marginally) and thwarted Trump's assault.

He had a long time to prep for that debate. It'll be interesting to see how the next ones go, if Trump can break through.

Last night was not too different than the first debate with HRC. Trump lost that, too.

I'm not an expert on the subject, and don't know a lot about the proud boys, so let's talk about it and genuinely see if they are!

I googled "Unite the Right Proud Boys" and it seems Kessler, who organized the explicitly white supremacist rally on August 11th 2017, is a member.

So they have a very prominent white supremacist in their ranks. Even if they aren't white supremacist themselves, that seems to support that they don't exactly have a problem with it and are willing to support it.

Momma we made it

Not the first time, but he's always giving the shout out to little old Claymont where i'm from (and where Joe grew up). Population of 15k in the town.

so fuckign stupid..
yes this is part of my point

thank you..
and to the people that want me to "prove it" calling out these people by name and histories..
IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU future prospects in life if you know what i'm saying. FACT

Yeah doesn't sound like Charlottesville was a Proud Boys event.

I'm not seeing anything about this guy belonging to the Proud Boys, or really a ton of information on him at all for that matter.

Not calling out a white supremacist group makes you a white supremacist? BLM seems to not call out violent members for attacking and harassing people based on race or political belief? The Democrat party has never called out BLM by name?

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Sep 30 2020 10:02am

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1311153378546905089



Good point.

https://3wv.com/news/064460-jason-kessler-proud-boys-take-to-downtown-mall/

Local coverage of Kessler doing things with proud boys

https://www.newsweek.com/alt-right-leaders-are-addressing-largest-white-nationalist-rally-decades-650096

Kessler "sworn in" with the proud boys

So this guy, Kessler, hosts a unite the right rally (which sounds like a pretty broad event broadcast). And tons of people show up -- some of which were white supremacists.

Kessler becomes a member of the proud boys, and that makes the proud boys a white supremacist group?

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Sep 30 2020 10:10am

The Unite the Right Rally was not "some of which were white supremacists". It was explicitly a rally for white supremacists, where all the speakers were white supremacists, and they literally marched through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil".

I am not saying that Kessler being a member means the proud boys are white supremacist, but it does mean they don't seem to have a problem working with and supporting known white supremacists.