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Sep 8 2020 09:08am
Quote (Santara @ Sep 8 2020 10:46am)
Try an actual critique.


It IS an actual critique. Crying racism instead of looking at the actual reasons for real world events is leftist garbage.
Look at the reasons things happen instead of claiming a disparity is automatically proof of racism.
This is a basic concept.

If a group commits disproportionate violence and disproportionately attacks cops it makes sense they would be disproportionately killed by them.

As I said before, citing a mere difference in # killed by police is not proof of racism, not even if you link to a wiki of 'covert racism'.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 8 2020 09:09am
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Sep 8 2020 09:22am
This isn't a trivial problem either.

Misdiagnosing the issue of police brutality/killings (or perfectly justified killings of violent criminals actively trying to harm people) as 'racism' leads to poor solutions being proposed.

We have to listen to all these idiots and grifters demand reparations and special treatment for rich black business owners, virtue signal, throw up black power signs, and harass/attack innocent people in the streets instead of focusing on actual solutions like ending/restricting no knock raids and qualified immunity, changing police training and other CJR and limiting the power and scope of government in general.
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Sep 8 2020 09:51am
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I propose that everybody shuts the fuck up and we let Santara and Cambo discuss this topic, because it would be fun to read and Cambo would have absolutely zero recourse to call Santara a leftist to dismiss his points.


Imma put this off till later. Cam deserves more than my half-assed attention span while I'm working for this topic.
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Sep 9 2020 07:00pm
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1303831502589837312

One of the arrested antifa from the riots also had his laser recovered
appears to be the both horrible taste and highly dangerous 'Gatling 3000mW Class 4 High Power Burning Laser Pointer Blue-445nm.'
this laser is powerful enough that it can light paper on fire from a few seconds exposure or slice through thin materials
that's significantly higher than the highest class IV laser hazard group of 500 mW / 450nm lasers where guidance says avoid even exposing skin or scattered radiation, let alone eye exposure
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Sep 9 2020 07:06pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Sep 9 2020 08:00pm)
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1303831502589837312

One of the arrested antifa from the riots also had his laser recovered
appears to be the both horrible taste and highly dangerous 'Gatling 3000mW Class 4 High Power Burning Laser Pointer Blue-445nm.'
this laser is powerful enough that it can light paper on fire from a few seconds exposure or slice through thin materials
that's significantly higher than the highest class IV laser hazard group of 500 mW / 450nm lasers where guidance says avoid even exposing skin or scattered radiation, let alone eye exposure


Great, now I have to look into where to buy one of those.

Wow, only like $100

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Sep 16 2020 10:15pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/

When police last week surrounded Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist suspected of fatally shooting a member of a far-right group in Portland, Ore., the wanted man wasn’t obviously armed, a witness to the scene said Wednesday.

In fact, according to Nate Dinguss, Reinoehl was clutching a cellphone and eating a gummy worm as he walked to his car outside an apartment complex in Lacey, Wash. That’s when officers opened fire without first announcing themselves or trying to arrest him, Dinguss, a 39-year-old who lives in the apartment complex, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/14/21436216/trump-michael-reinoehl-protests-portland-shooting

“Now we sent in the US marshals for the killer, the man that killed the young man in the street,” Trump told Judge Jeanine. “Two and a half days went by, and I put out [on Twitter], ‘When are you going to go get him?’ And the US marshals went in to get in, and in a short period of time, they ended in a gunfight. This guy was a violent criminal, and the US marshals killed him. And I’ll tell you something — that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.”

Extrajudicial execution at the order of a mob boss.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/10/reinoehl-portland-antifa-killing-police/

When police last week surrounded Michael Forest Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist suspected of fatally shooting a member of a far-right group in Portland, Ore., the wanted man wasn’t obviously armed, a witness to the scene said Wednesday.

In fact, according to Nate Dinguss, Reinoehl was clutching a cellphone and eating a gummy worm as he walked to his car outside an apartment complex in Lacey, Wash. That’s when officers opened fire without first announcing themselves or trying to arrest him, Dinguss, a 39-year-old who lives in the apartment complex, said in a statement shared with The Washington Post.

https://www.vox.com/2020/9/14/21436216/trump-michael-reinoehl-protests-portland-shooting

“Now we sent in the US marshals for the killer, the man that killed the young man in the street,” Trump told Judge Jeanine. “Two and a half days went by, and I put out [on Twitter], ‘When are you going to go get him?’ And the US marshals went in to get in, and in a short period of time, they ended in a gunfight. This guy was a violent criminal, and the US marshals killed him. And I’ll tell you something — that’s the way it has to be. There has to be retribution when you have crime like this.”

Extrajudicial execution at the order of a mob boss.


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Sep 17 2020 06:44pm
I already mocked the WaPo's willfully negligent coverage in duff's thread;
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=75235217&f=119&p=563237266#p563237266

WaPo interviewed 3 witnesses and got a statement from the federal authorities. Two witnesses and federal authorities both stated that Reinoehl pointed a gun and/or shot at police. One witness claimed he was unarmed and shot without warning
WaPo then ran ahead with a headline based solely on that minority report, with the conflicting evidence tucked deep in the article where 90% of people would never see it

Then today detectives issued another statement in the shooting;
https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/09/detectives-say-michael-reinoehl-pointed-a-handgun-at-officers-at-the-time-he-was-shot-and-killed-in-wa-state.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=oregonian_sf

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Michael Forest Reinoehl pointed a handgun at officers when he was shot and killed near Lacey, Washington, by members of a federal task force who moved in to arrest him on a murder warrant stemming from a fatal shooting of a Patriot Prayer supporter in Portland in late August, the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office said Thursday.

Detectives said Reinoehl was armed with a .380-caliber handgun when he was killed on Sept. 3 , according to the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office.

Officers at the scene told investigators they saw Reinoehl point the gun at them, Thurston County Lt. Ray Brady said.

A spent shell casing of that caliber was found in Reinoehl’s station wagon, and an AR-15 style .22-caliber rifle was located in the front seat, according to the sheriff’s office. The serial number on the rifle had been removed. The sheriff’s office declined to say where the handgun was recovered.

Ballistics tests are being conducted to determine if the .380-caliber handgun that Reinoehl had that Sept. 3 night was the same gun used in the Aug. 29 fatal shooting of Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, on Southwest Third Avenue in Portland.

Reinoehl died at the scene from multiple gunshot wounds to the head and upper torso, according to the county coroner.

Four officers from several Washington law enforcement agencies assigned to the U.S. Marshals Pacific Northwest Violent Offender Task Force were serving the arrest warrant when they shot and killed Reinoehl.

The four officers are from the Pierce County Sheriff’s Office, Lakewood Police Department and the Washington Department of Corrections.

Thurston County Sherif’s Office is the lead agency investigating the shooting as part of Washington’s Region 3 Critical Incident Investigation Team, according to Thurston County Sheriff’s Lt. Ray Brady.

Reinoehl, a self-described anti-fascist who said he provided security for Black Lives Matter protests, was wanted in connection with the fatal shooting of Patriot Prayer supporter Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, on Aug. 29 shortly after a pro-Trump caravan drove through downtown Portland. Patriot Prayer is a loosely organized right-wing group based in Vancouver that has often come to Portland to clash with left-wing, antifa opponents. A .380-caliber gun was used in Danielson’s fatal shooting, police said.

The night Reinoehl was killed, the U.S. Marshals Service issued a statement that said, “Initial reports indicate the suspect produced a firearm, threatening the lives of law enforcement officers. Task force members responded to the threat and struck the suspect who was pronounced dead at the scene.”

Nathaniel Dingess, 39, who lives in the apartment complex where Reinoehl was found hiding, issued a statement days later through a lawyer, saying officers yelled no warnings or commands before firing at Reinoehl, who he said was walking toward his car holding a cellphone when officers drove up outside. Dingess said he never saw a handgun on Reinoehl or saw him reach for anything.


He pointed a handgun at them.
He may or may not have fired at them first, as one shell casing was recovered
It may be the same weapon he used in the murder
And he also had an illegally modified rifle
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Sep 17 2020 06:45pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 8 2020 10:51am)
Imma put this off till later. Cam deserves more than my half-assed attention span while I'm working for this topic.


You've had time. Do it!
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Sep 17 2020 06:50pm
Quote (Santara @ Sep 8 2020 03:09am)
Sorry mate. They're right here:

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793


they didn't run those numbers against poverty statistics. if you do that, you'll find that

a) Poverty stricken people of all colors commit the same amounts of crime and
b) Deal with the police at almost identically the same rate

Poverty, not skin color, is the issue. Anyone who disagrees is a racist
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