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Jun 17 2018 01:59pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 17 2018 02:37am)
so anyway
its become very apparently in the past few days that the DNC and cooperative media have seized upon 'immigrant children' to be their #1 issue going into the 2018 elections, at least so far
I haven't heard a thing about Obamacare, they're consciously avoiding impeachment talk, avoiding talking about the economy thanks to trump's success, avoiding foreign policy thanks to trump's successes again
they tried a feeble messaging of "drain the swamp" to emulate trump as some kind of halfbaked message that they dropped almost immediately, I guess their plan was to try to convert Mueller into their #1 issue, but it didn't resonate

so maybe they'll come up with something new, but they've absolutely seized on immigration with a zealous fury.
maybe I'm misjudging the public opinion but I don't see how they're supposed to translate into votes something that's so easily perceived as 'supporting illegal immigration', does not have any significant coherent policy ideas and is muddled into oblivion due to Obama doing all the same stuff. Half the messaging is "trump is hitler putting kids into concentration camps' and half the messaging is 'oops those pictures are actually from under obama, obama did it too'


Voters arent logical. I bet the dems will gain seats anyway
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Jun 17 2018 02:22pm
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The immigration camps are the flavor of the month. We can't say for certain it's going to be their #1 issue going into the 2018 midterms. If it does become their primary issue, I think it's a bad choice for the same factors you and Black XistenZ mentioned. There's too much overlap with Obama-era immigration policies and many Americans favor tougher immigration laws, anyways.

They don't have a #1 issue yet. Their messaging is scattered and all over the place. One of the only things the party can unite behind is anti-Trump sentiment, but that strategy is also decreasing in efficacy due to the strong economy, Trump's rising approval ratings, and general Trump fatigue.

Democrats are in a tough spot. They own Obamacare, the economy is doing good, and immigration is probably not a good choice. They also are lacking party leadership. Voters are split on figures like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and Bernie Sanders.

One thing they have going for them is independents. Trump is very favorable with Republicans but only has a 35% approval rating with independent voters. So a center-left platform would probably serve them best, but they also have party leaders like Elizabeth Warren pulling them left.

The party doesn't know who it is or who it should be. They are still reeling from 2016 and haven't recovered.


They are simply torn between those who want the party to move to the right (and support Conor Lamb Doug Jones types of candidates), and those who want to turn to the left (Warren, Harris, Gillibrand). I have a hard time seeing a compromise for this conflict.
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Immigration...




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Jun 19 2018 09:35am
Students in Spain have been forced to leave their homes despite having paid their accommodation fees to make way for migrants who just arrived on the Aquarius rescue ship in Valencia.

https://www.infowars.com/spain-students-forced-out-of-their-homes-to-make-way-for-migrants/



This post was edited by HeLiCaL on Jun 19 2018 09:35am
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Jun 19 2018 10:00am
I agree about separating children from parents

We should outlaw no fault divorce
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Jun 19 2018 10:23am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 17 2018 02:22pm)
They are simply torn between those who want the party to move to the right (and support Conor Lamb Doug Jones types of candidates), and those who want to turn to the left (Warren, Harris, Gillibrand). I have a hard time seeing a compromise for this conflict.


i disagree only because you can simply demonstrate that a farther left candidate will lose more consistently than a more center Dem. i would hope that people would chose a less progressive candidate over losing, but the Bernie bros stuck around a long time in 2016. its hard to calculate how much being cheated effected that.
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good summary outlining executive discretion, a logical position that i still disagree with.
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Jun 19 2018 02:33pm
tollerant usa immigrants

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Jun 19 2018 02:45pm
Quote (HeLiCaL @ Jun 19 2018 02:33pm)
tollerant usa immigrants

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqqLUem4cKk


where on earth do you and winternight get the endless supply of editorialized alt right news? is there a blog or are your youtube algorithms just that bad?
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Jun 19 2018 02:54pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 19 2018 10:45pm)
where on earth do you and winternight get the endless supply of editorialized alt right news? is there a blog or are your youtube algorithms just that bad?


the jews who's freedom of speech got suppressed are alt right or the intollerant islamic extremists are alt right?

be more specific
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