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Dec 6 2012 06:33pm
From your lack of response to my last query I assume you accept that the truth cannot be absolutely determined from sensory input?
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Dec 7 2012 06:29pm
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From your lack of response to my last query I assume you accept that the truth cannot be absolutely determined from sensory input?


From your lack of understanding of the content I my post I assume you will not understand why I will not waste my time to answer you anymore.
If you want an answer from me, read my posts again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RpcT06rcog

Here is what I would like to share tonight, this album is filled with truth (and the rest of Pink Floyd music and lyrics too).
Mankind is currently living like a flock of sheep without shepherd.
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Dec 7 2012 06:38pm
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From your lack of understanding of the content I my post I assume you will not understand why I will not waste my time to answer you anymore.
If you want an answer from me, read my posts again.


Here is what I would like to share tonight, this album is filled with truth (and the rest of Pink Floyd music and lyrics too).

Mankind is currently living like a flock of sheep without shepherd.





◄ John 10:14 ►

New International Version

"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me--
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◄  John 10:14  ►

New International Version

"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me--


aaaaaaaaaand slam.
10 points to Widow.
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Dec 7 2012 07:22pm
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Ive been trying to post things to help you/any of your "fellow truth seekers" however your u unwillingness to openly discuss your "truth" or this topic of "truth" illustrates your hypocrisy. Your mind is not open, because you are not open to testing and scrutinizing these ideas, engaging in critical dialogue and philosophical discussion. The point isnt to debate abstract mathematical "truths" but this other conception of truth you speak of.

Keep reposting, your unwillingness to engage shows either your inability to or the weakness of the ideas you have.


seems like a whole lot of irony coming from someone so open.
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Dec 7 2012 08:27pm
Quote (mike14e @ 5 Nov 2012 22:49)
Ive been trying to post things to help you/any of your "fellow truth seekers" however your u unwillingness to openly discuss your "truth" or this topic of "truth" illustrates your hypocrisy. Your mind is not open, because you are not open to testing and scrutinizing these ideas, engaging in critical dialogue and philosophical discussion. The point isnt to debate abstract mathematical "truths" but this other conception of truth you speak of.

Keep reposting, your unwillingness to engage shows either your inability to or the weakness of the ideas you have.


You clearly do not understand what is an opened mind (or well, what is the mind).
Let me try to explain to you one more time.
Having an opened mind does not mean you have to believe anything.
It does not mean the truth can be debated.
If something can be debated it is NOT the truth untill we reach to an agreement like 2+2=4 for exemple...
The truth of life and death is the same for everyone.
Physical life (including minds) is balanced.
Your physical body will die when your heart and brain will stop working.

But you are more than your mind : we are (equal/immortal) spiritual beings in a (different/mortal) physical body...
Open your mind, means to not use it for nothing when you do not need it.
It is literraly opening the way to your spirit, so your spirit can recieve full life through your senses.

Bob Marley said :
"No chains around my feet,
But I'm not free"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upaqXW3qS-g
"Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free our minds"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yXRGdZdonM
Do you see the link ?
Mind = what keeps us in slavery.
Some good video I posted some days ago ends with "To see the cage is to leave it".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A
The cage is the mind, we are all slaves untill we see our minds.

Today we have all the tools to see our minds !
The ultimate truth has been revealed and is accessible for free for everyone thanks to the internet and more precisely the truth contest :
http://www.truthcontest.com/
We evolved enough to take our last step in evolution : overcome animal realms and become spiritual beings... by overcoming our minds.

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Your two selves: Most people are not aware of the fact that they have two different selves. You have a mind and a spirit (consciousness), and though they seem like one thing, they are separate. The way to realize that this is true is to realize that something has to be listening to the thoughts created by your mind.

What is it that hears your thoughts?

There is the part of you that thinks and the part that hears the thoughts. The thinking part is your mind; the part that hears the thoughts is your spiritual-self. You do not actually hear thoughts through your ears, because your mind is already inside your head. The point is, your spiritual-self receives the things the mind creates in a similar way to hearing them.

Check it out: Just ask yourself, what is it that is hearing the thoughts you are thinking right now?

From page 6 of The Present
http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/the-present-universal-truth/
You can see your mind now, CHECK IT FOR YOURSELF.
The Present is nothing else than the truth of life and death that you can check for yourself once you see your mind.

"Know thyself"
Ignorance of yourself and the truth of life and death is a desease.
"To know the truth is the best thing. To know that you do not know is the second best. To pretend to know when you do not know is a disease." Lao Tzu
We are all insane untill we realize we are more than our minds.
The only reason the mind is so hard to see, is because almost everyone is ignoring it, and everyone is insane.
The mind wants to keep in control, because it is afraid of the facing the fact everyone is insane.
George Orwell wrote a whole book (maybe more, I only read this one so far) about how everyone is insane : 1984.
So to keep control the mind may makes you think YOU are insane because everyone else is supposed to be "normal".
But the truth is, the mind itself is what makes you insane, so how could it be a good judge of sanity ?

This post was edited by Eti_fr on Dec 7 2012 08:50pm
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Freedom: If you tie your fulfillment to things that happen in your environment, you are at the mercy of the constantly changing environment. You will only get a taste of fulfillment when things go your way, when you win or get what you want. Spiritual people are fulfilled when they lose. If you do not attach your fulfillment to what happens in your environment, you can be fulfilled no matter what happens. True freedom is having the ability to be fulfilled independent of what happens in the environment. Almost no one is free now. Only the truth will set you free. Being free means being free of the mind that hides true life from people.

from page 8 of "The Present" at http://www.truthcontest.com

Your mind wants to be in control, it evolved this way, but the truth is the mind can not control anything because every physical things are balanced. It is a scientificly proven fact.
Our bodies are physical things too.
That said, you are more than your mind.
Your spiritual self is not subject to the physical laws.
It is perfect and immortal, just like the present moment is perfect and eternal.
If you realize this your mind will open up and you will be on the way to true freedom as it is explained in that quote.
As the mind opens up, your spirit will recieve more life, you will get closer to the eternal perfect present moment.
The way is just to recognize what is true (life) from what is not (mind made), and give your life to what is true... In other words seek and spread the truth of life.
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Dec 9 2012 06:02pm

Whats your purpose with this thread?
It can't be to have a serious discussion because you go NAHANHANAH anytime someone says something that counters you

It can't be to convert people because you don't actually have any arguments to base your side on.


Thus this is a bunch of spam.
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Dec 10 2012 04:55pm
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Whats your purpose with this thread?
It can't be to have a serious discussion because you go NAHANHANAH anytime someone says something that counters you

It can't be to convert people because you don't actually have any arguments to base your side on.


Thus this is a bunch of spam.


Did you even read the original post ?
Some one said "Don't hate what you don't understand" (I think it was John Lenon, but not sure... anyway what matters is the message, not the messenger).
You and everyone else is spamming, I agree this is a bunch of spam.
Feel free to pm a moderator to close this thread, I'd open a new one and try to keep it clean... some people may get some % warn at some point... I really don't care actually, your spam helps to keep this thread on top and I love when it's on top.

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You are not dependent on anyone. Your spiritual future is not dependent on this world turning into heaven. There is also a good chance it will not happen, or not happen in your lifespan; you could die before it happens. You are only dependent on the truth and the life. If you know it, you are saved; if not, you’re not saved.

It would help if people around you began to see the truth, and it should be the goal of all mankind, but you can only do what you can do. If the only thing you can do is learn the truth and the life yourself, you have done all you need to do. If you learn the ultimate truth in this life, heaven is guaranteed in your next life, no matter what happens to the rest of this world. Knowing the truth not only gets you to a place religions call heaven after you die, it gives you the best possible life here and now. It is the ultimate win-win.
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Dec 10 2012 05:10pm
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Did you even read the original post ?
Some one said "Don't hate what you don't understand" (I think it was John Lenon, but not sure... anyway what matters is the message, not the messenger).
You and everyone else is spamming, I agree this is a bunch of spam.
Feel free to pm a moderator to close this thread, I'd open a new one and try to keep it clean... some people may get some % warn at some point... I really don't care actually, your spam helps to keep this thread on top and I love when it's on top.

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I don't read half your posts anymore

Literally anyone who has a counterpoint to anything you say you say "this is spam" or you just ignore it

You trying to present the truth but you cant even figure out what it is you're trying to say
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