Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 09:36pm)

I do post on them you along with many other just ignore what i have to say and that proves it.
and its super thermite nano thermite its the same thing, and yea i talk about thermite but i have no desire to take it a higher lvl.

A in person debate gives both parties a chance at a rebuttal , both sides sould beable to debate with out the constraints the of the media censorship.
I have consider the facts people present and in return.
i present my own yet mine are ignored, and i am berated for it most of the time.

being a good public speaker has nothing to do with a chance for bothside to debate the points on uncensored TV since thats where most of you get your facts.




do you honestly think they would let anythng like his work become published?
http://debunking911.com/towers.htm the print on this page only has one spot on there were welding was to be done, give the fact i have been welding most of my life shows this would have been redone or isnt a complete design of the trusses

Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 04:36pm)

do you honestly think they would let anythng like his work become published?
http://debunking911.com/towers.htm the print on this page only has one spot on there were welding was to be done, give the fact i have been welding most of my life shows this would have been redone or isnt a complete design of the trusses

Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 16 2010 04:54pm)

That design holds fine. Welding is not necessary for structural integrity. In fact, with some of those bars it could be disadvantageous, considering the heat influenced zone of steel at some places in the structure, where it would partially recrystallize and thus weaken the material.

The advantage to bolting is that it's fast and cheap, plus if one bolt fails, the rest stays, if a crack appears in a weld, it enlarges fast if under strain. And there's another thing called strain hardening you might want to check into.

Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 05:04pm)

If it met the standards of the rest of the civil engineers, yes.

What does your welding experience have to do with the page linked?

Quote (sinbad2 @ Sep 16 2010 10:10pm)

i understand heat can weaken metal but in this time the welding done was stick welding and stick welds get covered in slag during with welding process,
crystallized metal is oxidized metal that has been exposed to oxygen before it harderns, the flux on the weling rod melts into slag to prevent such a thing from happening,
there for weaking wont and souldnt happen.

also the buildings were made to withstand winds that high up so they were made to withstand the stress.
theres also something called tensile strength thats something thats alittle more important then just strain harding.
I know more about metals then you may think.

Quote (jerds24 @ Sep 16 2010 06:28pm)

I don't think that a construction like this could fall like it happenned the 11/9.

Quote (balrog66 @ Sep 16 2010 05:14pm)

< 2nd year Mech Engineering at Twente University of Technology.

And this shows you know nothing about crystallography, structural integrity, dynamics, statics or thermodynamics.

You might know a whole lot about welding, but you are far too less educated to make the assumption that those buildings were made to withstand the impact of a passenger airplane, not to mention the explosion and fires afterwards.

Quote (jerds24 @ Sep 16 2010 05:28pm)

I don't think that a construction like this could fall like it happenned the 11/9.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Sep 16 2010 05:31pm)

Do you have references to previous events where a set of buildings of the same size and integrity were struck twice by jumbo jets and which the outcome was different? if so, please point those events out.

Quote (jerds24 @ Sep 16 2010 05:28pm)

I don't think that a construction like this could fall like it happenned the 11/9.

Quote (jerds24 @ Sep 16 2010 06:35pm)

you dont see here the words "I don't think"? It was just an opinion post.

It's really weird, the plane crashed almost on the top of the structure, it took like what 30 minutes for the building to crash. How a building like this could crash like this, it was very fluid like a demolition by explosive strategic setting, not like the upper structure crashing on the downer part and finnally all crash

Quote (Santara @ Sep 16 2010 06:37pm)

You don't believe what you saw with your own eyes? It fell.