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Quote (ThatAlex @ 5 Mar 2020 07:16)


hehe, that's cute, but is that actually based on anything?

serious question, i genuinely don't know. have there been any racist sentiments expressed by bernie's supporters concerning biden winning the black vote, or is that pure fiction?
i'm asking because i don't think it's entirely impossible (obviously not widespread, but maybe singular cases), but i honestly haven't heard of any.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2020 12:04am)
I'm talking about who people in 2016 thought Trump is, or might turn out to be.


He was obviously a reality television star who inherited his wealth and did much worse than if he had just invested in S&P 500 companies. He ran as a right wing populist focusing on white identity politics like less money for social services, restricted immigration from brown countries, taking funds from public education, and continued aggressive criminal prosecution of blacks in America, though he stops short of his friend Guiliani, who has been a special envoy for this administration.

And 2016 he is a billionaire with inherited wealth who is promising to clean up the problems created by billionaires with inherited wealth. He is a reality TV star and republicans love reality TV stars or television stars, such as Fred Thompson and Ronald Reagan, so it was a natural fit. The people who vote for the Republican party are the same people who are really into dancing with the stars.
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Quote (Skinned @ Mar 5 2020 07:32am)
He was obviously a reality television star who inherited his wealth and did much worse than if he had just invested in S&P 500 companies. He ran as a right wing populist focusing on white identity politics like less money for social services, restricted immigration from brown countries, taking funds from public education, and continued aggressive criminal prosecution of blacks in America, though he stops short of his friend Guiliani, who has been a special envoy for this administration.

And 2016 he is a billionaire with inherited wealth who is promising to clean up the problems created by billionaires with inherited wealth. He is a reality TV star and republicans love reality TV stars or television stars, such as Fred Thompson and Ronald Reagan, so it was a natural fit. The people who vote for the Republican party are the same people who are really into dancing with the stars.


The S&P talking point assumes hes worth as much as he says he is, which he almost certainly isnt. His valuation is all based on private companies and they don't exactly turn their books over to Forbs so they can make lists.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Mar 4 2020 09:35pm)
She raised nearly 2x he did and it wasn’t as a result of some great grassroots efforts. She was the anointed one in 2016 there’s no question about that.


Most news media today is owned by large corporations, it’s naive to think those interests don’t bleed into what they tell the masses. I mean just look at how Barnie was treated the last two election cycles.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 4 2020 09:43pm)
yes, an unpredictable wildcard who was flirting with ending all free trade agreements, deporting millions of cheap laborers and starting an all-out trade war against china did have a hard time getting support, even if he also had some upside.
and keep in mind that hilary was also pro wall street and a foreign policy hawk/military backing. instead of tax cuts, she promised more government spending. (nobody in 2016 could forsee that Trump would get away with just doing both at once at the expense of a blown up deficit.)

regarding chinese intellectual property theft: corporate america has put up with this abuse by the Chinese for a long time for the sake of short-term profits. there's no question that in 2016, corporate america would have preferred the status quo on china over what trump had in mind, or later ended up actually doing.


Trump didn't need money with the unlimited free press they gave him 24-7 while ignoring almost all other candidates.

yes, they did incredulously convey his message, but it was on such a scale he didnt need the advertising money HRC did. even HRC herself spent a large amount of ad money making a case against trump, rather than for herself.

the difference between corporate mindsets about Trump and Bernie is massive. Trump is a wildcard, Bernie is a potential trump card. i'll take one off the stack over a loss any day. basically, HRC vs Trump was largely a win-win from a policy standpoint, Trump vs Bernie is a win-lose.
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Joe Biden right now

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Trump didn't need money with the unlimited free press they gave him 24-7 while ignoring almost all other candidates.

yes, they did incredulously convey his message, but it was on such a scale he didnt need the advertising money HRC did. even HRC herself spent a large amount of ad money making a case against trump, rather than for herself.

the difference between corporate mindsets about Trump and Bernie is massive. Trump is a wildcard, Bernie is a potential trump card. i'll take one off the stack over a loss any day. basically, HRC vs Trump was largely a win-win from a policy standpoint, Trump vs Bernie is a win-lose.


does any of this refute my points though?

either way: during the 2016 campaign, corporate america couldnt be sure that a Trump presidency would turn out fine for them. HRC vs Trump, from their point of view, was the choice between a guaranteed win on policy (HRC) and taking a 50:50 or perhaps 60:40 gamble (Trump).
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 5 2020 11:35am)
does any of this refute my points though?

either way: during the 2016 campaign, corporate america couldnt be sure that a Trump presidency would turn out fine for them. HRC vs Trump, from their point of view, was the choice between a guaranteed win on policy (HRC) and taking a 50:50 or perhaps 60:40 gamble (Trump).


i'd say it challenges how we define support, definitions cant really be refuted as they're arbitrary in this context. Did HRC get the vocal support of the oligarchy via media and more corporate donors? yes. but that's not all support is.

as to corporations looking at Trump as a 50:50 candidate, strongly disagree. he was pro tax cuts and pro deregulation. his vague calls for getting "tough on Ghina" weren't going to offset a major tax decrease for the corporations. obviously China was a concern, but there were so many signals showing he'd have some real positives for corporations. but in 2016 if a corporation voiced this they got #boycott____ trending and a stock selloff.

Trump received the same corporate support that he did a silent voting block. obviously not at the exact same ratio, but the concept is the same.
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