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Feb 17 2021 09:14am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 17 2021 09:06am)
Again: Biden is sending contradictory signals, promising that everyone will be vaccinated by the end of summer while implying that social distancing might still be required around Christmas.

There are only three possible explanations. Either Biden is lying about the promise of a vaccination rollout by the end of summer. Or it is a verifiable fact/"the reality" that the vaccinations will not make social distancing obsolete. In this case, it would be disingenuous and not good leadership to keep hiding this fact and not communicate it clearly. Or it is not verified yet - in that case, you'd be wrong with your argument about "telling it like it is"/"reality doesnt care about conservative snowflakes", and Biden's rhetoric would be irresponsible because it would undermine "covid morale" based on shaky, unverified fears.

In all three cases, Biden does not display good leadership.

For now, I'll give Biden the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was just a verbal lapse - but stuff like that isnt helping my trust in him as a person or leader.


Forgive my laughter as you trusted "rambles incoherently for 15 minutes" Trump for years and now you're telling me that Biden's "verbal lapse" makes you not trust him as a leader.

Your reasoning is pretty shaky. "It would undermine Covid morale". In other words, snowflakes only want to hear strong positive words regardless of their truth.

The fourth option is "Biden has updated his projections based on information now that he's in office, and made a vague and conservative statement so he doesn't over-promise". This, to me, seems likely to be what happened, and from the outside it looks like people on the right (like yourself) are using one statement to paint his performance with a negative brush.
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Feb 17 2021 10:18am
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Forgive my laughter as you trusted "rambles incoherently for 15 minutes" Trump for years and now you're telling me that Biden's "verbal lapse" makes you not trust him as a leader.

Who says that I trusted Trump? I supported and defended him when and as long as he pursued policies that I support. Only absolute morons would have trusted Trump's statements verbatim.

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Your reasoning is pretty shaky. "It would undermine Covid morale". In other words, snowflakes only want to hear strong positive words regardless of their truth.

Not accepting lockdowns and social distancing as the open-ended "new normal" does not make someone a snowflake! If there is no hope of ever getting a handle on covid without either letting it burn through the population unprotected or staying locked down forever, which option do you think people below the age of 60 will choose for a disease which has a lethality of 0.02% for them? The non-geriatric age cohorts are (often times begrudgingly) putting up with a state of their life which would be unacceptable long-term, based on the very promise that it will only be a temporary affair. Take this silver lining away and the rational reaction by the at-miniscule-risk groups is to go on with their lives.

Trump was irresponsible in his covid rhetoric because he made people undererstimate the risks; countless people died because of it. Undermining covid morale at the current, critical moment in time based on scientific uncertainty would also lead to countless unnecessary deaths.


Once a sufficient share of the population has been vaccinated, the people will no longer accept massive restrictions, whether their governments and the experts like it or not. Perhaps we will still be wearing masks the coming winter, maybe stadiums and clubs will operate at reduced capacity - but shutting entire industries down and suppressing the basic human need to socialize will be a non-starter once the vaccination campaign has finished. You want to talk about unformtable truths? The truth is that starting this fall, the virus will burn through the vaccinated population, and the vaccinations either prevent mass hospitalizations and deaths - or they wont, people die and no one gives a shit anymore.






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The fourth option is "Biden has updated his projections based on information now that he's in office, and made a vague and conservative statement so he doesn't over-promise". This, to me, seems likely to be what happened, and from the outside it looks like people on the right (like yourself) are using one statement to paint his performance with a negative brush.

His two contradicting statements were made over the past 1-2 days, so you definitely cannot explain it away with info he only obtained after entering office.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 17 2021 10:23am
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Feb 17 2021 10:29am
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Who says that I trusted Trump? I supported and defended him when and as long as he pursued policies that I support. Only absolute morons would have trusted Trump's statements verbatim.

Not accepting lockdowns and social distancing as the open-ended "new normal" does not make someone a snowflake!


Good thing that's not what "less socially distance by Christmas" means.

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His two contradicting statements were made over the past 1-2 days, so you definitely cannot explain it away with info he only obtained after entering office.


Regardless, making a single conservative statement about distancing does not an entire policy make. The only argument you have is "snowflakes might get triggered if you say anything other than the absolute best case scenario", which really just supports what I said. Conservatives want a strong man to tell them everything is okay. Biden is going to tell you what we're on track to do and give conservative estimates about the long run, like a leader. You're taking "less social distancing by Christmas" and extrapolating beyond any semblance of reason to mean that he's also saying vaccines won't work, and that this will last forever, and etc. etc.

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Who says that I trusted Trump? I supported and defended him when and as long as he pursued policies that I support. Only absolute morons would have trusted Trump's statements verbatim.


The only one you're fooling is yourself. You kept on the "don't take him literally but listen to what he says because I can magically determine his true meaning" and you were called out for it, by me, dozens of times, and you only stopped when his handling of Covid became obviously terrible.

So cut the shit about not trusting Trump. You bought into the cult mentality for a strong 3+ years and are still flirting with it literally right this second.

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Feb 17 2021 10:48am
You know Biden is that guy that uses the blue shell in mario kart.
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Feb 17 2021 10:51am
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You know Biden is that guy that uses the blue shell in mario kart.


Glad to see you finally acknowledge that Biden is a totally normal person.
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Feb 17 2021 11:00am
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Glad to see you finally acknowledge that Biden is a totally normal person.


Total psychopath. ragequit reeeeeeeeeee
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Feb 17 2021 12:25pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 17 Feb 2021 17:29)
Good thing that's not what "less socially distance by Christmas" means.

What does it mean then? The implied assertion very clearly was "some degree of social distancing will still be required by Christmas". Do you dispute that?



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The only one you're fooling is yourself. You kept on the "don't take him literally but listen to what he says because I can magically determine his true meaning" and you were called out for it, by me, dozens of times, and you only stopped when his handling of Covid became obviously terrible.

So cut the shit about not trusting Trump. You bought into the cult mentality for a strong 3+ years and are still flirting with it literally right this second.

That's your interpretation, which is demonstrably false. Like I said: I supported Trump when and as long as he pushed policies that I like. I criticized him repeatedly for blunders or policies which I consider bad. For example his tax cuts, his support for the war in Yemen, his lack of coalition building against China, the rushed and headless manner of the troop withdrawal from Syria, his inept way of talking about immigration in the run-up to the 2018 midterms, the escalating fiscal deficit, his mishandling of covid and his unproductive role in the debate about police violence last summer.

Did I defend the politician whose policies I nonetheless liked significantly more often than not, and who I wanted to see succeed? Yes. Did I perhaps bend over a bit too much in these efforts? Probably. But this does not mean that I took his word for gospel or uncritically trusted his decision-making.

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Feb 17 2021 12:54pm
pres biden says slavery and oppression based on race and religion is fine due to “different cultural norms”. sounds about right coming from an avowed lifelong segregationist and pro-ccp/anti-american swamp demon who was part of the admin that brought slavery back to Libya

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1361877221670080514
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pres biden says slavery and oppression based on race and religion is fine due to “different cultural norms”. sounds about right coming from an avowed lifelong segregationist and pro-ccp/anti-american swamp demon who was part of the admin that brought slavery back to Libya

https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1361877221670080514


Sounds more like an explanation of where (Biden thinks) Xi is coming from with his hardline policies than an excuse of these policies. Biden quite explicitly says that these policies are unacceptable to the United States. Nothing wrong with understanding the motivations behind your enemy's behavior and values.
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Feb 17 2021 01:19pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 18 Feb 2021 02:11)
Sounds more like an explanation of where (Biden thinks) Xi is coming from with his hardline policies than an excuse of these policies. Biden quite explicitly says that these policies are unacceptable to the United States. Nothing wrong with understanding the motivations behind your enemy's behavior and values.

maybe it was from 2017-2021. not anymore and not when biden was in the Senate (see segregation “racial jungle” and “black superpredators” crime bill which were biden creations)

biden just said live on air he knows what the ccp is doing and its a-okay by him due to “cultural norms”. adolf and goebbels coulda used a propagandist like biden
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