Wrong, the true crux is that many people do not agree with the liberal description of what "reality" looks like. And they disagree even more with the notion that there are no alternatives and that there shouldnt even be a debate.


Thinking that people will accept another winter of perpetual lockdowns and severely muted public life - in spite of almost everyone being vaccinated - are delusional. Consciously or subconsciously, the promise that vaccinations will provide a pathway out of this disaster and that the "bad times" will be limited to 12-18 months have played a huge role in people's compliance with the restrictions. Breaking this implicit promise and going "even if everyone was vaccinated, we will have to continue with social distancing, restrictions of public life and mask wearing, perhaps for years on end" would cause all dams to break*.





*Is that a valid metaphor in English?

Metaphor makes sense.

I'm not referencing Covid stuff specifically. Trump actively lies. You know this, I know this, and he's praised for it. He doesn't "tell it like it is", he creates a false reality and sells it to his supporters. He lied more than any president in history so you can stop trying to defend it lol. Biden tells it like it is, good or bad, where we will have to maintain social distancing for most of this year as vaccines get distributed. That's reality. It has nothing to do with lockdowns. Don't like it? Grow up snowflake.

I think IceMage's assessment of Biden is about right. He's the "the nation eats your broccoli" president. Trump was the "I don't trust that ice cream isn't healthy" president.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 17 2021 07:27am

All politicians tend to tell their voters what they want to hear. It's basically part of the job description, lol. Yes, Trump was particularly egregious with his lies, but do you seriously think that liberal politicians never create a false sense of reality and sell it to their voters?
Biden's $2k checks on day one in office?
Obama's "affordable and universal healthcare, and everyone who likes his current plan can keep it"?



Regarding the specific case here: there's a huge contradiction between Biden renewing his promise that there will be enough vaccine doses for every American by the end of July, implying that everyone will be vaccinated by the end of August or so, and indicating that (some) social distancing might still be required around Christmas.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/16/joe-biden-coronavirus-town-hall-stimulus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/02/11/vaccine-supply-biden/

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 17 2021 07:39am

Ahhh yes wonderful whataboutism. Still suckin on that cheetoh

that post would be bothaboutism.

The CDC director says schools are safe to reopen. The teacher unions are outraged. The press secretary inexplicably asserts that the CDC director is speaking in a "personal" capacity, and sure enough the CDC complies with the political direction a few days later. That is anathema to Biden's "let the science speak" mantra. It is a lie, just as Biden lied when he promised to open schools within 100 days.

We will continue to see the damaging long-term impacts of lockdowns on social, economic, and mental health for decades. People will die. Poverty will increase. Lives have already been ruined. The responsibility on the part of politicians is to balance the risk of virus related deaths with the need to bring about an end to restrictions as fast as humanly possible. "It might be safer to wait..." is not valid policy advice, the alternative is unacceptable. Between Cuomo committing mass murder and Newson's hypocritical incompetence, Democrats are depleting all of their political capital. If, lord forbid, we do need to entertain another lockdown at some point in the future, there will be zero capacity to actually enforce it.

You seem to be looking at partisan politics through rose-tinted glasses. Correcting your idealization of Democrats ("Republicans = bad, lying to their stupid voters//Democrats = brave, telling things like they are") is not whataboutism.

You're mistaking making an objective judgement that Biden is leagues ahead of Trump in truthfulness and Covid (because Trump was literally worse than nothing) with partisan hackery. It's not about "disagreeing with liberal conception of reality" when the reality being discussed is about physical metrics like death rates, mask usage, testing capacity, etc. etc.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but updating your projections with new information and not over-promising is what a responsible leader does. Biden doesn't do this on every case, his claims about the "made in America" executive order and the "stop helping the Saudis do a genocide" executive order are obvious counter examples. But in the case of Covid, that's what he's doing, and it's the right thing to do.

This isn't my partisan idealization of Democrats, it's your partisan obsession with defending Republicans.



Really? Because she was on CNN 2 days ago specifically saying that 99% of students live in "red zones" with high spread, and said that in order for schools to be safe to open schools should follow mitigation efforts (specifically calling out the 60% masking rate in schools as far too low), and that many schools are not currently capable of following mitigation efforts.

She's saying "We can safely re open schools if we have the appropriate measures in place, but most schools don't have them in place" and you're cherry picking "we can safely reopen schools".

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 17 2021 08:41am

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-claims-didn-t-covid-131245718.html

At least he's getting fact check and called out as well

Again: Biden is sending contradictory signals, promising that everyone will be vaccinated by the end of summer while implying that social distancing might still be required around Christmas.

There are only three possible explanations. Either Biden is lying about the promise of a vaccination rollout by the end of summer. Or it is a verifiable fact/"the reality" that the vaccinations will not make social distancing obsolete. In this case, it would be disingenuous and not good leadership to keep hiding this fact and not communicate it clearly. Or it is not verified yet - in that case, you'd be wrong with your argument about "telling it like it is"/"reality doesnt care about conservative snowflakes", and Biden's rhetoric would be irresponsible because it would undermine "covid morale" based on shaky, unverified fears.

In all three cases, Biden does not display good leadership.




For now, I'll give Biden the benefit of the doubt and assume that it was just a verbal lapse - but stuff like that isnt helping my trust in him as a person or leader.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 17 2021 09:07am