Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 8 2020 09:25am)

You brought up two issues: a general critique of Trump's behavior and my defense of him, which I addressed, and a list of recent bad actions. I didnt fully follow those recent stories, so I didnt comment on them. Believe it or not, I have other things to do than follow the minutiae of every single storyline in the American news cycle. Anyway, dodging was not my intention.


The navy captain thing - we dont know how tightly Trump is involved in it. I also lack the specific knowledge to really make an informed assessment of how bad or justified Cap. Crozier's actions were, and if they warranted his removal or not. Modly berating him on board of his own ship via 1MC was unacceptable though, and Modly was consequently forced to resign. Dont know, however, how much these events fall back on Trump.
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The press secretary thing... didnt hear/follow this story yet, and I dont care tbh. Screams nothingburger.

The thing with the EO to cut Congressional oversight over the stimulus package is a very bad look, I dont support this move at all. Based on my current info, I'll concede on that one - this move is bad, no excuses.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2020 09:26am)

He reminds me of a sales person who will say whatever it takes to close a deal tbh.

Quote (Thor123422 @ 8 Apr 2020 16:17)

Uhhh... because he's literally the most powerful person in the world. And as a result there's millions of people who still take him seriously.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 8 2020 10:17am)

Uhhh... because he's literally the most powerful person in the world. And as a result there's millions of people who still take him seriously.

Quote (Kayeto @ 8 Apr 2020 16:33)

But no one in this forum is part of those millions, right?

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 8 2020 09:33am)

But no one in this forum is part of those millions, right? I thought (wrongly perhaps) that I could come to this forum to find a level of discussion that was better than Facebook.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 8 2020 09:40am)

There's at least 4 or 5 full blown cultists (Ghot, Goomshill, and ofthevoid are probably the most frequent posters in this camp), , a few more who just give Trump a pass on 90% of his actions (insanebob, XistenZ) but occasionally criticize, and the rest are fairly realistic. There's 3-4 people who are way on the other side of the spectrum as well (sauceison?, fender, mxvivienwolf?), but they're universally disowned by the left.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 8 2020 10:26am)

He has a pretty distinct style of communication and thought process. I don't think it's necessarily lying but sometimes sales people tend to over promise & under deliver, flip flop back and forth on what they said, etc.

Like one day he is talking shit to China calling them oppressors and terrible and the next day he is calling Xi a very good friend.

Unfortunately most people get hung up on Trump because they don't understand that there are different types of communication. He tends to be very direct and when he flips the 'lie' is evident, meanwhile most career politicians will use vague noncommittal language and trying to pin a lie on them is nearly impossible because of the lawyer speak they used.

He reminds me of a sales person who will say whatever it takes to close a deal tbh.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 8 2020 10:33am)

*Ghot has entered the chat*

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 8 2020 10:40am)

There's at least 4 or 5 full blown cultists (Ghot, Goomshill, and ofthevoid are probably the most frequent posters in this camp), , a few more who just give Trump a pass on 90% of his actions (insanebob, XistenZ) but occasionally criticize, and the rest are fairly realistic. There's 3-4 people who are way on the other side of the spectrum as well (sauceison?, fender, mxvivienwolf?), but they're universally disowned by the left.

Quote (Kayeto @ Apr 8 2020 10:00am)

That's unfortunate. I think that this pandemic is an important issue. I had a dream that it could have been a great opportunity for everyone to come together and have productive conversation focused on the issue. After all, we are all on the same side here. It's humanity vs. the virus.

The fact that it devolves in a competition of who can scream 'orange man bad' the loudest (those who just say it in a calm speaking voice are thrashed for not being loud enough) is standing in the way of my dream.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 8 2020 11:06am)

What news sources or conversation forums do you use? Because I haven't seen that at all.

Don't get me wrong, Trump has definitely not handled this well, but I haven't seen anybody getting thrashed for not being loud enough