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Quote (Master_Zappy @ Jan 11 2016 10:45pm)


http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-statistical-correlation-and-causation-are-diff.html

Also, single motherhood is the price you pay for the male privilege of being able to buy your way out of fatherhood. You really need some ideological blinders on not to see that. I love the victim blaming mentality on the Right though, always strong.

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it's not necessarly "single mom" it's more about "fatherless" ... :rofl:
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it's not necessarly "single mom" it's more about "fatherless" ... :rofl:


women are the gatekeepers of sex and procreation, traditional households/marriage is the optimal arrangement for childbearing.Third wave shitty Feminist culture has destroyed this and the related values. With the exception of widows, single mothers have traditionally faced rightful strong social stigma. Feminists have made removing this stigma a priority as it is essential in order to free women from the reciprocal obligations which traditionally have come with motherhood. Feminism is far more about removing women’s responsibilities than it is about increasing women’s rights, so this is a critical area of focus for feminism. https://dalrock./2012/10/18/the-normalization-of-the-trashy-single-mother/

I'm for women, and men and boys, that's why I'm against new-wave feminism.




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women are the gatekeepers of sex and procreation, traditional marriage is the optimal arrangement for childbearing.Third wave shitty Feminist culture has destroyed this and the related values. With the exception of widows, single mothers have traditionally faced rightful strong social stigma. Feminists have made removing this stigma a priority as it is essential in order to free women from the reciprocal obligations which traditionally have come with motherhood. Feminism is far more about removing women’s responsibilities than it is about increasing women’s rights, so this is a critical area of focus for feminism. https://dalrock.***/2012/10/18/the-normalization-of-the-trashy-single-mother/


Actually theres a child, and the father isnt here, and you are pointing out it's the fault of the mother, extending that to women rights ?
Are you able to give me data of women that decided to have a child and to rise him/her alone, not in poverty ?

Anyway i dont like too much "women rights" and "too fast", like that hilary clinton may end up usa presidency a duel between men and women, that just SUCKS and SWALLOW.
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Jan 12 2016 08:53am
Quote (Master_Zappy @ Jan 12 2016 08:20am)
women are the gatekeepers of sex and procreation, traditional households/marriage is the optimal arrangement for childbearing.Third wave shitty Feminist culture has destroyed this and the related values. With the exception of widows, single mothers have traditionally faced rightful strong social stigma. Feminists have made removing this stigma a priority as it is essential in order to free women from the reciprocal obligations which traditionally have come with motherhood. Feminism is far more about removing women’s responsibilities than it is about increasing women’s rights, so this is a critical area of focus for feminism. https://dalrock./2012/10/18/the-normalization-of-the-trashy-single-mother/

I'm for women, and men and boys, that's why I'm against new-wave feminism.


It was actually changed by second wave feminism fighting for economic equality and the recent economic downturn. Loose family ties is the price you pay for economic liberty. When everything comes down to dollars families suffer. /capitalism
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It was actually changed by second wave feminism fighting for economic equality and the recent economic downturn. Loose family ties is the price you pay for economic liberty. When everything comes down to dollars families suffer. /capitalism


I actually agree with you for once (mostly) :O (dooood hell just froze over)

Why Patriarchy Is The Greatest Social System Ever Created
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Patriarchy is about love. It is about the love of human beings in families, tribes, and small communities working interdependently for the benefit of one another.

Feminism Was Created By Capitalism
Feminism in it’s modern form began in the last hundred years, when industrialization moved our economic survival from requiring hard labor to requiring skilled labor. Work used to require hours of physical lifting, now it requires sitting at a desk. This transition made it possible for even the weakest women to work.

Employees are much easier to manage as interchangeable cogs than as gendered individuals with unique needs. In fact, convincing women to work doubles the size of the work force, allowing employers to half everyone’s wages. It’s simple supply and demand. As the book Revolution From Above chronicles, early feminist movements – even Marxist feminists – were bankrolled by major capitalists in order to increase the workforce and lower wages.

In families, each member is irreplaceable, but in a company everyone is replaceable. In patriarchy, women toiled for one man who loved her and the children he gave her. In capitalism, women work for many men completely indifferent to her and willing to disposes of her the moment cheaper labor appears.

Feminism Commodifies Relationships
In patriarchy, selfish relationship impulses were restrained. In capitalism, they are encouraged. Each member of a tribe of community works for the benefit of those around him, but in capitalism men and women are independent agents, with no loyalty or duty to anyone else.

Roles that were traditionally played by family are now outsourced. Group homes for the elderly, day care for the children. Even mentors and friends can be bought in the form of therapists and life coaches.

This system destroys intimate relationships. It selfishly benefits a woman to bear the children of strong lone alpha’s rather than the man providing for her. It selfishly benefits a man to impregnate every available fertile woman with no intention of further contact. Alpha fucks, beta bucks.

Feminism has created a war between the sexes with each side trying to maximize their profits in the sexual marketplace while spending as little as possible. We’re all little atomized corporations united only by the laws of bio-mechanics.


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I actually agree with you for once (mostly) :O (dooood hell just froze over)

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I agree with libertarians on a lot of issues. I just don't bring it up much since there's nothing to talk about when everybody agrees.
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Actually theres a child, and the father isnt here, and you are pointing out it's the fault of the mother, extending that to women rights ?
Are you able to give me data of women that decided to have a child and to rise him/her alone, not in poverty ?

Anyway i dont like too much "women rights" and "too fast", like that hilary clinton may end up usa presidency a duel between men and women, that just SUCKS and SWALLOW.


What she's saying is removing the stigma of being a single mother is in a very real sense a disservice to single mothers. The same way that removing the stigma of marijuana doesn't ensure everyone will try it just that more will try it, and more will overlook the negative effects that the stigma reinforced. (feel free to correct me zap)
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What she's saying is removing the stigma of being a single mother is in a very real sense a disservice to single mothers. The same way that removing the stigma of marijuana doesn't ensure everyone will try it just that more will try it, and more will overlook the negative effects that the stigma reinforced. (feel free to correct me zap)


She should be mad at mothers for raising sons who don't have the moral fiber to be involved in their kid's lives (it would still fill the need of OP to blame women for these problems).

It takes two to have a kid. Why are men responsible for all good things and women for all bad things to misogynist like this?

He could wear a condom...or have enough will power to just pull out at the last minute. From a medical perspective, it works, as long as you pull out on time and not lie about it like every single dude out there.

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She should be mad at mothers for raising sons who don't have the moral fiber to be involved in their kid's lives (it would still fill the need of OP to blame women for these problems).

It takes two to have a kid. Why are men responsible for all good things and women for all bad things to misogynist like this?

He could wear a condom...or have enough will power to just pull out at the last minute. From a medical perspective, it works, as long as you pull out on time and not lie about it like every single dude out there.


I think the reducing of the stigma affects the family unit, not solely the woman. Both men and women are affected by reducing the stigma and non-traditional families become more acceptable even if they are not ideal. This is all on a very macro level, any poor choices made by either parent on a micro level is of course the fault of that parent. And by non-traditional families i do NOT mean gay couples raising a child together, im referencing single parents or children left to be raised by grandparents who are too old or naive to properly raise a child the same way a parent would.
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