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Apr 28 2020 08:58pm
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I'm seriously so sick of hearing about Trump already; he's a fringe candidate who stands no chance at getting the nomination. He's this year's Ron Paul (gets tons of attention on the internet but loses by a landslide).


Dear God, what a time to be alive
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Apr 29 2020 05:30pm
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/29/explosive-new-flynn-documents-show-fbi-goal-was-to-get-him-fired/
https://www.scribd.com/document/459056127/Handwritten-FBI-Notes-On-Michael-Flynn-Get-Him-Fired#from_embed

The sealed documents from the Michael Flynn trial tick tocking since last week have been released
And oh boy its a doozy:

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Handwritten notes from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) that had been inappropriately withheld from Flynn’s defense team for years show that a key goal of the agents investigating Flynn was “to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired.”
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In the handwritten FBI notes, the note-taker, whose identity was not made clear in the document production, wrote that an alternate goal is to “get [Flynn] to admit breaking the Logan Act,”


The idiots wrote it down. This is as smoking gun as it gets. Comey/McCabe/etc intentionally set up Flynn and tried to intentionally trick him into lying to them for the sole purpose of weaponizing it against him as a criminal / political / laughably unconstitutional bludgeon. They straight up wrote it in their notes.

https://i.imgur.com/zK72Z1B.png

They knew that Flynn was lying in public about contact with the Russians, something they only knew due to illegally obtained wiretaps and something he was only lying about because it was a back-and-forth political slapfight between the outgoing and incoming administrations. They planned the interview under the false pretense of interdepartmental cooperation as an ambush to get him to lie to them about it so they could prosecute him or get him fired, a political agenda. They even tried to get him on the bloody Logan Act, as if their only goal was to create a political furor by leaking it to the Washington Post because there's no court in the country that's going to accept a Logan Act prosecution. And of course, that's exactly what they did: They leaked it to David Ignatius of WaPo.

Not only that, they knew what they were doing was unethical and violating the trust placed in them:

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“I agreed yesterday that we shouldn’t show Flynn [REDACTED] if he didn’t admit,” the FBI author wrote. “I thought [about] it last night, [and] I believe we should rethink this.”
“We regularly show subjects evidence, with the goal of getting them to admit wrongdoing,” the notes said. “I don’t see how getting someone to admit their wrongdoing is going easy on him.”
The redaction portion of the notes is believed to reference transcripts of phone calls between Flynn and other foreign officials. Those transcripts have never been publicly released, making it impossible to independently assess whether Flynn lied about those conversations.
The handwritten FBI notes end with a prophetic line, given the voluminous evidence of misconduct by FBI and DOJ officials in their investigation of Trump and their attempt to oust him from office.
“If we’re seen as playing games, [the White House] will be furious,” the author wrote. “Protect our institution by not playing games.”


Flynn was 100% set up.
I was spot on about the facts of this case since it happened 3 years ago
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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 29 2020 07:30pm)
propaganda


This is a nothingburger and cult media is pretending it's a bombshell.

What is the story here? The FBI thought out the interview beforehand? They could predict that either Flynn would admit to conducting diplomacy illegally with the Russian ambassador, or he would lie about it and they could use that as leverage? He had been under investigation for weeks/months I believe at that point.

Throughout Russiagate and afterwards there's been numerous stories where it's revealed the FBI applied it's tradecraft and right-wingers pretend it's some scandal. It's not.

I'm honestly not sure what's going on here. As I said before when a fake journalist at Fox made that tweet:

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 27 2020 09:08am)
How would complete exoneration even be possible? I mean you can make the Goomshill argument that Flynn was caught off guard by malevolent actors in the FBI, and he didn't want to reveal conversations with the Russian ambassador. That's not really true, but let's assume for a moment it is. There's still no disputing the fact that he lied about the phone call, and he clearly admitted it in court, multiple times.


Courts don't care whether you think the Logan Act matters, or whether the FBI guys showed the appropriate amount of deference. If they did, these sort of arguments would've worked by now.

Also, what illegal wiretaps? Were those thrown out in court?

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Relevant:
https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1255657300917800961
https://twitter.com/benjaminwittes/status/1255670805708578820

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 29 2020 08:10pm
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Apr 29 2020 08:01pm
Every lawyer in the US wants to pressure the other party into lying exposing their story etc. YEA news flash they do it on purpose.
They use evidence even..
Didn't Flynn admit guilt? wtf is going on here.. You think he admitted to it because the lawyers wanted him to lie?
wut.
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Apr 29 2020 08:08pm
Yeah actually Hulk Hogan has got this by a mile. His campaigns are live WWE matches, well worth the go if you haven't been.
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Apr 29 2020 08:40pm
Also, on the "get him fired" portion of those FBI transcripts. We're so deep into the mud of ridiculous cult narratives that I think it can cloud judgement.

Flynn lying to the Pres/VP/CoS about the content of his conversations with the Russian ambassador is a firing offense. It could mean he was trying to run foreign policy on his own, without consulting his bosses. In addition, Flynn lying to the FBI about that lie is a firing offense. These days it's so normalized that Trump has literally zero standards for the people he hires... but it wasn't the case back in Jan 2017. A NSA who does that sort of thing is unfit.

So, the FBI had good reason to interview Flynn. They had good reason to follow their normal tactics and anticipate questions/answers. And in a sane world not plagued by the delusions of cultland, everybody would agree that the FBI exposing Flynn actually helped the president.

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 29 2020 08:46pm
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Apr 29 2020 09:50pm
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Also, on the "get him fired" portion of those FBI transcripts. We're so deep into the mud of ridiculous cult narratives that I think it can cloud judgement.

Flynn lying to the Pres/VP/CoS about the content of his conversations with the Russian ambassador is a firing offense. It could mean he was trying to run foreign policy on his own, without consulting his bosses. In addition, Flynn lying to the FBI about that lie is a firing offense. These days it's so normalized that Trump has literally zero standards for the people he hires... but it wasn't the case back in Jan 2017. A NSA who does that sort of thing is unfit.

So, the FBI had good reason to interview Flynn. They had good reason to follow their normal tactics and anticipate questions/answers. And in a sane world not plagued by the delusions of cultland, everybody would agree that the FBI exposing Flynn actually helped the president.


Shrill.
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Apr 29 2020 10:18pm
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Every lawyer in the US wants to pressure the other party into lying exposing their story etc. YEA news flash they do it on purpose.
They use evidence even..
Didn't Flynn admit guilt? wtf is going on here.. You think he admitted to it because the lawyers wanted him to lie?
wut.


Court cases with the federal gov cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most just flip

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 29 2020 10:40pm)
Also, on the "get him fired" portion of those FBI transcripts. We're so deep into the mud of ridiculous cult narratives that I think it can cloud judgement.

Flynn lying to the Pres/VP/CoS about the content of his conversations with the Russian ambassador is a firing offense. It could mean he was trying to run foreign policy on his own, without consulting his bosses. In addition, Flynn lying to the FBI about that lie is a firing offense. These days it's so normalized that Trump has literally zero standards for the people he hires... but it wasn't the case back in Jan 2017. A NSA who does that sort of thing is unfit.

So, the FBI had good reason to interview Flynn. They had good reason to follow their normal tactics and anticipate questions/answers. And in a sane world not plagued by the delusions of cultland, everybody would agree that the FBI exposing Flynn actually helped the president.


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Apr 30 2020 05:47am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 28 2020 09:22pm)
Yea exactly.. all this CNN fake news.. but they won't look at their own version of fake news.. I've posted about it 50 times not one of these R zombies will admit that factually FOX is even farther from facts..


Because they are liars lol. And honor has no meaning to them.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 30 2020 05:48am
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Court cases with the federal gov cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Most just flip



Just like using bleachbit


huh?
If you don't like the cost of court cases stop supporting people that end up in jail.
why do you trolls ALWAY bring up HRC.. you losers are SO afraid of grandma its pretty funny.
Does she own CNN or something? She gonna murder your white power uncle? Gonna bleachbit your personal porn stash.
Just a clue... She isn't even in politics anymore and had ZERO to do with the Flynn case.

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