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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 4 2021 10:22pm)
Why are you so obsessed with single moms? What have they done to you that you hate them so much and blame them for everything that's going wrong?


He's an incel lol

He grew up thinking he was better and smarter, then he went to college and got invited to nothing, then he got a job that pays decently well and thought women would fall into his lap and it still didn't happen. Now he has to find reasons why women are bad and just repeats the "single moms are bad" and "chad stole my stacy" and "things were better when women were basically slaves" memes all day.
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The fix would be to raise better sons so they will be fathers when needed and not have so many deadbeat dads out there.

America has a buy your way out clause for male parenthood even, such enablement.


What is the right way to do this through policy?

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The problem with the people pretending to be right-wing populists like Rubio and Hawley is that, if forced to choose between their anti-Democrat(or anti-Biden) stance and their new founded populism, they will always go with anti-Bidenism. The base is far more motivated by it.


Rubio is completely a fraud, he has never been a populist and is pretending. Hawley is a bit too soon to tell.
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The fix would be to raise better sons so they will be fathers when needed and not have so many deadbeat dads out there.

America has a buy your way out clause for male parenthood even, such enablement.


The cause of this is state imposed moral hazards in the form of welfare - which ends up creating single moms.

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He's an incel lol

He grew up thinking he was better and smarter, then he went to college and got invited to nothing, then he got a job that pays decently well and thought women would fall into his lap and it still didn't happen. Now he has to find reasons why women are bad and just repeats the "single moms are bad" and "chad stole my stacy" and "things were better when women were basically slaves" memes all day.


Women dont piss me off on an individual level, but they do end up having bosoms that are too big.

I'm into A cups but for some reason the lord on high only sends me busty babes.
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Why do you refer to Rubio as a populist? Maybe I'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge, he hasnt really been a populist for most of his career. He started out as a child of the tea party wave, flirted with Romney/Ryan-esque fiscal conservatism for a bit, but then just was an ideologically amorphous candidate during the 2016 primary. His rationale was "I can be whatever you want me to be, but anyway, I'm young, slick, latino and appealing to the beltway press". He was almost comically out of his depth. Since 2016, he has basically tried to pander to the Trump crowd whenever his views happened to align with Trump's, and tried to emulate his tone. Policy-wise, he staked out some pretty hawkish foreign policy views, but otherwise largely remained a blank slate.

Hawley imho had a much more well-defined pitch, he was very clearly positioning himself as the thought-leader of a new, right-wing populist direction of the GOP. His calculus very clearly was that he would be the answer to the question of how "Trumpism without Trump" could look like. By contrast, I still have no fucking idea what Rubio's calculus is, or will be in 2022/2024.


https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82056321&f=119&o=0

Robotic Rubio came out in late 2019 with his new version... appealing to the right-wing populist crowd. Obviously I recognize the discrepancy between his old views and current views because in this thread I called him the populist pretender. He's an empty suit who will do whatever he needs to in order to succeed politically.

I think Hawley is taking the most obvious route to the presidency... going on Fox News every night, railing against liberal corporations and Big Tech, while in practice doing basically nothing to move the ball forward for his constituents. If Hawley is the thought leader I have bad news about your movement.

As an aside, I believe Ted Cruz will be the Republican nominee in 2024, unless Trump makes a real effort at it.

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Robotic Rubio came out in late 2019 with his new version... appealing to the right-wing populist crowd. Obviously I recognize the discrepancy between his old views and current views because in this thread I called him the populist pretender. He's an empty suit who will do whatever he needs to in order to succeed politically.

I think Hawley is taking the most obvious route to the presidency... going on Fox News every night, railing against liberal corporations and Big Tech, while in practice doing basically nothing to move the ball forward for his constituents. If Hawley is the thought leader I have bad news about your movement.

As an aside, I believe Ted Cruz will be the Republican nominee in 2024, unless Trump makes a real effort at it.


The only bead I've got on Hawley is that he stands for basically nothing but getting himself ahead.
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https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82056321&f=119&o=0

Robotic Rubio came out in late 2019 with his new version... appealing to the right-wing populist crowd. Obviously I recognize the discrepancy between his old views and current views because in this thread I called him the populist pretender. He's an empty suit who will do whatever he needs to in order to succeed politically.

I think Hawley is taking the most obvious route to the presidency... going on Fox News every night, railing against liberal corporations and Big Tech, while in practice doing basically nothing to move the ball forward for his constituents. If Hawley is the thought leader I have bad news about your movement.

As an aside, I believe Ted Cruz will be the Republican nominee in 2024, unless Trump makes a real effort at it.


Did this version of Rubio gain any traction? I'm normally following American politics fairly closely but must have missed that. Either way, we're in agreement on him: he's a spineless opportunist devoid of actual convictions who's only looking to advance his own career. Quite similar to Ted Cruz btw. Except that Cruz's clumsy attempts at adopting other politicians' "gimmick", in order to come across like an actual human being and not the Zodiac killer, are so tragically forced and futile that they're kinda cute.

I'm unsure about Hawley. He's still a fresh face without a long track record, so it's hard to prove if he's just opportunistically latching onto right-wing populism to advance his career or if the things he's saying are genuinely held beliefs. Doesnt really matter, like I said, this picture of him raising the fist to the protesters who would go on to storm the Capitol is absolutely devastating. I doubt that he will ever be able to shake off the stink of this moment/association and succeed in nationwide races. Also, to quote 538's Nate Silver from one of their podcasts: "Josh Hawley is a freakin' pretty boy from Harvard, do you seriously think that rural whites will turn out in droves for him the way they did for Trump?"

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 5 2021 07:03pm)
Did this version of Rubio gain any traction? I'm normally following American politics fairly closely but must have missed that. Either way, we're in agreement on him: he's a spineless opportunist devoid of actual convictions who's only looking to advance his own career. Quite similar to Ted Cruz btw. Except that Cruz's clumsy attempts at adopting other politicians' "gimmick", in order to come across like an actual human being and not the Zodiac killer, are so tragically forced and futile that they're kinda cute.

I'm unsure about Hawley. He's still a fresh face without a long track record, so it's hard to prove if he's just opportunistically latching onto right-wing populism to advance his career or if the things he's saying are genuinely held beliefs. Doesnt really matter, like I said, this picture of him raising the fist to the protesters who would go on to storm the Capitol is absolutely devastating. I doubt that he will ever be able to shake off the stink of this moment/association and succeed in nationwide races. Also, to quote 538's Nate Silver from one of their podcasts: "Josh Hawley is a freakin' pretty boy from Harvard, do you seriously think that rural whites will turn out in droves for him the way they did for Trump?"


That's sort of the point of politics.... people adopt certain views in order to appeal to voters. Trump voters were fine with him completely abandoning many of his lifelong viewpoints in favor of theirs. They welcomed it. It's hard to take seriously the idea that Trump was genuine in his epic shift, while others who do similar things are not genuine.

Then again, wouldn't that viewpoint confirm my perspective? That Trump gets special privileges, as the cult leader? And his massive changes are looked at completely differently than those of everyone else?
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That's sort of the point of politics.... people adopt certain views in order to appeal to voters. Trump voters were fine with him completely abandoning many of his lifelong viewpoints in favor of theirs. They welcomed it. It's hard to take seriously the idea that Trump was genuine in his epic shift, while others who do similar things are not genuine.

Then again, wouldn't that viewpoint confirm my perspective? That Trump gets special privileges, as the cult leader? And his massive changes are looked at completely differently than those of everyone else?


I indeed consider it weird how evangelicals and devout Christians in general were able to reconcile their religious beliefs with Trump's lifestyle and conduct. Other factions within the Republican coalition probably didnt mind since they never cared that much about abortion or religiousness anyway. Regarding evangelicals... I think many of them feel an incredibly deep sense of alienation with mainstream America and its increasingly liberal institutions and therefore loved Trump for the fight he brought to them. "A flawed vessel carrying out God's will" or something like that. Or perhaps they were pragmatic and willing to suspend their expectation of decorum for a couple of years in order to get lots and lots of conservative judges. Oooor perhaps they really are cultists like you say.
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Feb 5 2021 06:31pm
and then there are christians like myself, my wife, and most of both our immediate families
that just think he is a garbage human being
and don't believe for one second that he's ever opened a bible
he cared to carry out no will but his own
though i'm not sure he even knew what his own will was to do
except pwn the libs
and get mad free air time
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Feb 5 2021 10:04pm
Biden topic littered with discussion about President Trump. All that talk of wanting Trump gone yet the usual suspects cant help themselves lmfao, pathetic..
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