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Oct 28 2023 03:53am
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 28 2023 10:36am)
You have much to learn yet about the genesis of the Ukranian conflict.



I personally do not believe bombs are a solution. Neither in Ukranian conflict nor this.

Even if Israel levels Gaza to the ground this will not get resolved.


How condescending. I'm fully aware of the causes.
When you provide the evidence of beheading, burnings and hostage taking. Then we can honestly compare it to the provocation of Hamas against Israel.

Otherwise stay dishonest.
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Oct 28 2023 03:58am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 28 Oct 2023 11:53)
How condescending. I'm fully aware of the causes.
When you provide the evidence of beheading, burnings and hostage taking. Then we can honestly compare it to the provocation of Hamas against Israel.

Otherwise stay dishonest.


Do you sleep well at night?
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Oct 28 2023 04:26am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 28 2023 06:53am)
How condescending. I'm fully aware of the causes.
When you provide the evidence of beheading, burnings and hostage taking. Then we can honestly compare it to the provocation of Hamas against Israel.

Otherwise stay dishonest.


Condescension is the only reasonable response to you tbh
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Oct 28 2023 04:35am
Quote (Malopox @ Oct 28 2023 10:58am)
Do you sleep well at night?

You still sleep?

It's a dishonest comparison. Like your dishonest representation of UK Mod figures.
You have form for this.

Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Oct 28 2023 11:26am)
Condescension is the only reasonable response to you tbh


You learned a new word. How's Elton?

This post was edited by Prox1m1ty on Oct 28 2023 04:36am
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Oct 28 2023 07:35am)
You still sleep?

It's a dishonest comparison. Like your dishonest representation of UK Mod figures.
You have form for this.



You learned a new word. How's Elton?


Elton?
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Oct 28 2023 06:03am
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Care to make a wager that there will never be a 2-state solution?


Why provide medical care when we all die anyway?

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Oct 2023 16:50)
In such a One-State solution, there would currently be roughly 7.0 million Muslims and 7.1 million Jews, but with the Muslim population being much younger and with much higher growth rates. It would be a foregone conclusion that Jewish Israelis would become an ethnic and religious minority in this new state, in their own state.

Now, keep in mind the history of genocidal wars waged by the Arabs in the region against the Jewish state. Keep in mind how the formerly liberal, democratic and Christian Lebanon next door has turned into a complete and utter shithole (and terrorist breeding ground) after its demographics had reached a tipping point. Keep in mind the centuries-long history of the Jewish people as a persecuted minority all across the world, and how the whole rationale of Zionism was to give the Jewish people a homeland in which they would be safe. Given this context, it's very easy to see why the prospect of living in a democracy with equal voting rights while being a minority to the Arabs is a completely and totally unacceptable proposition for Jewish Israelis.

Let's call it like it is: within less than two decades after executing a One-State solution, democracy would get abolished and the Jews (now a clear minority) would get displaced, if not outright slaughtered.


I was advocating for a two-state solution... for the very reasons you listed

This post was edited by Neptunus on Oct 28 2023 06:06am
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Oct 28 2023 09:25am
Quote (Neptunus @ 28 Oct 2023 14:03)
I was advocating for a two-state solution... for the very reasons you listed

I know, I just wanted to spell it out why a One-State solution is unacceptable for Israel. ;)
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Oct 28 2023 10:09am
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-poll-finds-49-support-holding-off-gaza-invasion-2023-10-27/

Asked if the military should immediately escalate to a large-scale ground offensive, 29% of Israelis agreed while 49% said "it would be better to wait" and 22% were undecided, the poll published in the Maariv newspaper said.
The daily said the results contrasted with its Oct. 19 poll that found 65% support for a major ground offensive.

=> Maybe they are realizing this could go really too far this time, or that the bombings are not the kind of smart revenge they were expecting ?
=> I don't know if Israelis have any concerns regarding the international reputation of their country & people, and how well they are informed about it.

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Oct 28 2023 10:38am
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-said-to-tell-moscow-its-looking-for-8-russians-among-hostages-will-free-them/

Hamas has come to an understanding with Russia and will voluntarily release 8 Russian-Israeli hostsges
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Quote (Meanwhile @ Oct 28 2023 07:09pm)
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-poll-finds-49-support-holding-off-gaza-invasion-2023-10-27/

Asked if the military should immediately escalate to a large-scale ground offensive, 29% of Israelis agreed while 49% said "it would be better to wait" and 22% were undecided, the poll published in the Maariv newspaper said.
The daily said the results contrasted with its Oct. 19 poll that found 65% support for a major ground offensive.

=> Maybe they are realizing this could go really too far this time, or that the bombings are not the kind of smart revenge they were expecting ?
=> I don't know if Israelis have any concerns regarding the international reputation of their country & people, and how well they are informed about it.


Maariv is more of a tabloid than a newspaper.
We do care about our reputation but unlike many automatic palestinian supporters we understand that we can’t live next to this evil.
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