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Jul 25 2026 04:49pm
Yet another dodge and another fail by addone. Here is the answer:

Linnaeus’s contribution: In 1758, Linnaeus grouped animals with mammary glands into a new class, Mammalia, alongside other vertebrate classes like Aves (birds) and Reptilia. This was a major step toward modern taxonomy, as it codified the defining traits of mammals into a formal category.

https://critter.science/the-architect-of-order-carl-linnaeus-and-the-classification-of-life/
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Jul 25 2026 06:23pm
It doesn't matter what I personally believe or don't believe you cannot substantiate your own beliefs on their own merit. Here we are strictly talking about your beliefs only.

You need to demonstrate there is a soul before asserting that I have one. Also you need to demonstrate magical creatures from the bible are real and not imaginary. Do so now or admit you have nothing but lies.


You responding to me is evidence of an intelligent design freely choosing to do so. That my friend is a soul.

You won't discuss your belief, because it does not hold merit.

God's word existing today from a world that turns against him and everything he has shown me personally is enough merit for me.
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Jul 25 2026 07:26pm
It doesn't matter what I personally believe or don't believe you cannot substantiate your own beliefs on their own merit. Here we are strictly talking about your beliefs only.

You need to demonstrate there is a soul before asserting that I have one. Also you need to demonstrate magical creatures from the bible are real and not imaginary. Do so now or admit you have nothing but lies.


the issue is since you're a pure materialist, rejecting the immaterial is a necessary entailment of your belief system. you will reject the existence of a soul and demand material means to measure something that is not material. It would be like me asking you to bring me the molecule for the universal category of "seven". the universal category for the concept of seven exists outside of any particular human brain or set of human brains, but it is not a material thing.

the purely materialistic worldview cannot give an account for universals, transcendentals, things like truth, logic, ontology of numbers, the mind or consciousness. this isn't simply an ignorance problem or a "god of the gaps" problem, it's that the materialistic worldview must fundamentally reject such things at a foundational level.

in our worldview, the soul is a necessary part of a person that animates him, forms an integrated human person, posses the will, intellect etc. consciousness itself is a major function of the soul, it is not an "emergent byproduct of the brain" but posses its own distinct nature that is meant to be in full unity with the body. It's not like the soul is bad and the body is good, or the other way around.

generally speaking, when Christians speak of death, they are speaking of the separation of your soul from your body. this isn't what Adam and Eve experienced precisely at that moment, they experienced a loss of communion which is what leads to death and decay.


we cannot argue particular events in Christianity without first figuring out which worldview has merits, because a purely materialistic one clashes and contradicts the Christian worldview, as does the Christian worldview contradict the materialistic one. Both cannot be right, and there is no neutral worldview, so we have to give an account or justification for our own worldviews, given their explanatory power and internal coherency.

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Jul 25 2026 09:01pm
You responding to me is evidence of an intelligent design freely choosing to do so. That my friend is a soul.

You won't discuss your belief, because it does not hold merit.

God's word existing today from a world that turns against him and everything he has shown me personally is enough merit for me.


How is me responding to you is evidence of a designer? :wacko:

I don't discuss my beliefs because they are irrelevant to this discussion we are only examining yours which you are desperately trying to avoid.

Personal testimony means nothing. There are thousands of competing religions who give their testimonies. You have as much credibility as a guy in a psyche ward who claims to hear voices of Odin. Clearly either one of you is right OR both of you are wrong.

No proof = fake

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Jul 25 2026 09:12pm
How is me responding to you is evidence of a designer? :wacko:

I don't discuss my beliefs because they are irrelevant to this discussion we are only examining yours which you are desperately trying to avoid.

Personal testimony means nothing. There are thousands of competing religions who give their testimonies. You have as much credibility as a guy in a psyche ward who claims to hear voices of Odin. Clearly either one of you is right OR both of you are wrong.

No proof = fake


The human body is an intricately coordinated masterpiece of biological engineering, where trillions of specialized cells, complex organ systems, and precise chemical pathways work in seamless harmony to sustain life, movement, and consciousness.

How great of a designer and creator we have behind the creation we get to enjoy and be a part of. You can't exist any other way addone. You have full control behind the body that is that complex. You literally deny how you alone are proof of a great God. Deny it all you want to, but you're just wrong.
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Jul 25 2026 09:39pm
The human body is an intricately coordinated masterpiece of biological engineering, where trillions of specialized cells, complex organ systems, and precise chemical pathways work in seamless harmony to sustain life, movement, and consciousness.

How great of a designer and creator we have behind the creation we get to enjoy and be a part of. You can't exist any other way addone. You have full control behind the body that is that complex. You literally deny how you alone are proof of a great God. Deny it all you want to, but you're just wrong.


How does that prove a creator? Is your argument body complex therefore a cosmic wizard made us from dust in a magic garden with a talking snake? Non sequitur

Try again.
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Jul 25 2026 10:17pm
I hope you know that the answers you have been given are not going to change. It's up to you addone to deal with it and wrestle with it. You have set your mind on the things of the flesh, which is death and hostility to God. You cannot please God. The only sign you will receive is the sign of Jonah.

Romans 8:5-8 ESV

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 8:24-25 ESV

24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

We walk by Faith and not by Sight.



By faith, we see the hand of God
In the light of creation’s grand design;
In the lives of those who prove His faithfulness,
Who walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, our fathers roamed the earth
With the power of His promise in their hearts
Of a holy city built by God’s own hand –
A place where peace and justice reign.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, the prophets saw a day
When the longed-for Messiah would appear
With the power to break the chains of sin and death,
And rise triumphant from the grave.

By faith, the church was called to go
In the power of the Spirit to the lost
To deliver captives and to preach good news,
In every corner of the earth.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, this mountain shall be moved
And the power of the gospel shall prevail,
For we know in Christ all things are possible
For all who call upon His name.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.
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Jul 25 2026 11:29pm
How does that prove a creator? Is your argument body complex therefore a cosmic wizard made us from dust in a magic garden with a talking snake? Non sequitur

Try again.


The alternative is you are just this meaningless random existence with no purpose. I refuse to believe that. It is not possible that you randomly exist. We live in perfect design, you can't argue against it.

You are loved by God who is quite fond of you and wants a relationship with you. I hope you pursue God and his truth over your life.
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Jul 25 2026 11:39pm
I hope you know that the answers you have been given are not going to change. It's up to you addone to deal with it and wrestle with it. You have set your mind on the things of the flesh, which is death and hostility to God. You cannot please God. The only sign you will receive is the sign of Jonah.

Romans 8:5-8 ESV

5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 8:24-25 ESV

24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience.

We walk by Faith and not by Sight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXB8ihepUpE

By faith, we see the hand of God
In the light of creation’s grand design;
In the lives of those who prove His faithfulness,
Who walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, our fathers roamed the earth
With the power of His promise in their hearts
Of a holy city built by God’s own hand –
A place where peace and justice reign.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, the prophets saw a day
When the longed-for Messiah would appear
With the power to break the chains of sin and death,
And rise triumphant from the grave.

By faith, the church was called to go
In the power of the Spirit to the lost
To deliver captives and to preach good news,
In every corner of the earth.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.

By faith, this mountain shall be moved
And the power of the gospel shall prevail,
For we know in Christ all things are possible
For all who call upon His name.

We will stand as children of the promise,
We will fix our eyes on Him, our soul’s reward.
Till the race is finished and the work is done,
We’ll walk by faith and not by sight.


Cult lore and chants how fascinating. What does this sign of jonah supposed to mean? In the storybook you call bible he gets swallowed by a big fish and lives inside the stomach for 3 days and 3 nights then gets spat out without dying. Curious how does this help prove god you keep saying is real? If anything this makes it even less real.

After you failed a simple test from our previous conversation I can't take anything you say seriously. You have to understand its nothing personal but talking to a person who refuses to provide reliable evidence while simultaneously asserting unsubstantiated claims gets dull.

No proof = fake

Good luck out there maybe ask your invisible and totally existent god to provide proof for himself because you clearly aren't doing a good job. If I was your god I would provide me irrefutable proof of his existence so there would be 0 doubt. But there is no god is there CPK001?

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Jul 25 2026 11:59pm
The alternative is you are just this meaningless random existence with no purpose. I refuse to believe that. It is not possible that you randomly exist. We live in perfect design, you can't argue against it.

You are loved by God who is quite fond of you and wants a relationship with you. I hope you pursue God and his truth over your life.


The alternative is you say "I don't know right now" until someone brings an explanation with PROOF.
You can just say I am good no jesus for me. Bring proof of his miracles then we can talk until then respectfully I am NOT going to blindly believe it.

If god wants a relationship with me he is more than welcome to convince me he exists. I am not going to brainwash myself to have a relationship with an imaginary person.
People live perfectly well and happy without believing in a magical god. You should try it, if your god only exists if you belief form then he is no different to your imagination.

Try it.
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