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Feb 4 2021 08:20pm
Psaki uses a homophobic slur live on national TV

:rofl:

Will they disavow?
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Feb 4 2021 08:46pm
Quote (IceMage @ 4 Feb 2021 17:28)
https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357344348979875848

So on one hand we have "populists" like Josh Hawley who go on Fox News and whine about big tech. On the other hand, we have Mitt Romney disregarding the failed Republican orthodoxy of the last two decades and embracing policy that will help working-class families.

Is this something Trump supporters can get behind?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2021/02/04/romney-child-benefit-stimulus/

In principle, yes, that's something I can get behind. I would need to wait until experts have gone through the details though, since I know too little about he inticacies of American tax code.

Some key sections from the WaPo article:

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Unlike the Democrats’ plan, Romney’s Family Security Act would be paid for, in part, by eliminating Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, a welfare program, as well as other existing federal tax credits for children and working families.


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Romney’s plan would have a dramatic impact on lowering child poverty, according to an analysis by the Niskanen Center, a center-right think tank. The percentage of children in poverty would fall by about 32 percent, with close to 3 million lifted out of poverty. Additionally, the percentage of children in “deep poverty” would fall by about 50 percent, meaning about 1.2 million children would be lifted out of deep poverty, the analysis found.


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Some liberal Democrats said Romney’s plan could be improved by maintaining the tax credits and welfare program it proposes repurposing to fund the new child benefit. “It’s misguided to undercut the policy’s poverty-reducing impact by using deep cuts in other critical forms of support for low-income people to pay for it,” said Sharon Parrott, president of the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a Democratic-aligned think tank. “There are far better financing options that ask those who are doing the best to pitch in a little more.”


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Romney’s plan would not provide the benefit to those living in the U.S. without a Social Security number. In its 2017 tax law, the GOP stripped as many as 4 million immigrant filers from receiving the existing child tax credit — which Romney envisions repurposing for his new proposal.


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Matt Bruenig, founder of the People’s Policy Project, a left-leaning think tank, said the benefits Romney’s new plan provide to poor families outweigh the potential downsides of eliminating these programs


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Romney’s plan differs from Biden’s in several key ways. Romney is proposing to pay for the measure by both consolidating existing government programs and ending a policy that lets Americans deduct up to $10,000 in state and local taxes off their federal tax obligations, a move Democrats are expected to oppose, especially those representing areas with higher taxes.

Pelosi and Schumer are gonna love this. :rofl:

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If enacted, Romney’s plan would be deficit-neutral and finance the new child benefit through 2025. [...]
Romney’s plan would also call for the new benefit to be administered through the Social Security Administration, rather than the IRS, which some experts believe would make it easier for the federal government to reach poor families with unreliable tax return information. It would also cap the potential monthly benefit one family can receive at $1,250.





So, based on what I can gather from this article, Romney's proposal would be a step in the right direction philosophically, and would be a significant net improvement for poor families in practice. But it would be more of a consolidation of existing benefits and programs than pure additional spending. The funding would, in substantial parts, come from slushing existing child benefits and tax deductions.

Overall, I'm unsure about the proposal, but cautiously optimistic. I do share Bobb's general sentiment of distrusting Romney's motives though. The guy is a ruthless, ultra-rich venture capitalist who has never prioritized the interests of the less fortunate in his personal and political life. Perhaps his motivation is to genuinely improve the country by helping its members most in need, perhaps his motivation is to divert inevitable policy in a direction which would soak the rich the least. There currently is a lot of momentum in politics/the public discourse in favor of such policies. By baiting Democrats with a narrow, deficit-neutral but bipartisan policy, Romney could perhaps be trying to prevent a similar but more wide-reaching program, one which would raise the deficit or taxes on the rich more.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 4 2021 08:50pm
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https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1357344348979875848



So on one hand we have "populists" like Josh Hawley who go on Fox News and whine about big tech. On the other hand, we have Mitt Romney disregarding the failed Republican orthodoxy of the last two decades and embracing policy that will help working-class families.

Is this something Trump supporters can get behind?


Lol. Mitt deserves credit for this. Eliminating blue-state tax deductions and forcing single liberals to pay for conservative families in the name of ending child poverty is gold-standard branding. Where was this guy when we needed him?
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Feb 4 2021 09:26pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 5 Feb 2021 09:20)
Psaki uses a homophobic slur live on national TV

:rofl:

Will they disavow?

sauce?

Quote (bogie160 @ 5 Feb 2021 10:21)
Lol. Mitt deserves credit for this. Eliminating blue-state tax deductions and forcing single liberals to pay for conservative families in the name of ending child poverty is gold-standard branding. Where was this guy when we needed him?


The boogeyman is gone so Romney gets to play at being a politician again, not a ridiculous crusader for a bastardized sense of morality (which is always funny coming from a guy who abused his dog)
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Feb 4 2021 09:34pm
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Lol. Mitt deserves credit for this. Eliminating blue-state tax deductions and forcing single liberals to pay for conservative families in the name of ending child poverty is gold-standard branding. Where was this guy when we needed him?


Overall, this policy would probably still benefit Dem-leaning families more than GOP-leaning ones. But yeah, I'm always for slashing blue state tax privileges which allowed their high-tax model to be indirectly subsidized by red states.
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Overall, this policy would probably still benefit Dem-leaning families more than GOP-leaning ones. But yeah, I'm always for slashing blue state tax privileges which allowed their high-tax model to be indirectly subsidized by red states.


Would probably benefit single moms which is derp.

Single moms are the source of almost all poverty.
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Feb 4 2021 10:00pm
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Would probably benefit single moms which is derp.

Single moms are the source of almost all poverty.


Youre injecting too much insulin. Try to stay above 20
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Youre injecting too much insulin. Try to stay above 20


Sounds like you are hiding something.

Are you an onlyfans single mom hobag?
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Sounds like you are hiding something.

Are you an onlyfans single mom hobag?


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Would probably benefit single moms which is derp.

Single moms are the source of almost all poverty.


Why are you so obsessed with single moms? What have they done to you that you hate them so much and blame them for everything that's going wrong?
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