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May 26 2022 01:00pm
Quote (fender @ May 26 2022 11:44am)
from flawed statistics and bad logic to lazy whataboutisms without hesitation... you're really committed to dying on this hill for your masters, huh? "elites rule everywhere" is a meaningless phrase, because it does NOT mean that elites elsewhere rule as comprehensively and exclusively as in the US. how does that boot taste?

also, it's an even worse argument to suggest you have to tolerate children being gunned down regularly because at some point you'd totally use your guns to stop your tyrannical government - especially when history suggests the opposite, and common sense tells you that the gun issue is actually a benefit to the ruling class, deepening division and lowering the chance of their power being challenged by a united population.

today's gun nuts are the last people who'd ever revolt. they are the first to lick authority's boot, the first to get instrumentalised to attack their fellow americans over some made up culture war issue, and the last ones to push for any kind of meaningful change. you really need to stop lying to yourself, it's embarrassing...


Guns level out the field.Common sense would tell you if som1 owns all the mods and hacks on D2 they win and you loose.

elites ruling everything means just that. Why is it hard for you to understand that those who print the money, those who own islands, those who have power even beyond money or trillions own you and even w/ technology and forces you can't see to the naked eye? I think you're projecting your boot licking fetish on this forum far too much bender. In fact elites gathered together even at places like Bohemian grove where they watch mock ritual sacrifices to a biblical owl god.

It's a very different reality for those @ top; become an informed vigilant citizen I emplore you:


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May 26 2022 01:09pm
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If an ER doctor does nothing but sit in the room while you die they would get charged with malpractice. If they don't render appropriate aid, diagnosis, or otherwise breach the standard of care they can be sued as well. This isn't you charging the doctor for giving you a heart attack. It's their legal obligation as professionals.

This isn't a hard concept if you're honest, but I get it, you have to hack as hard as you can to make cops look good. You've decided that's your mission on this forum.


You're under the ER doctor's care with an existing liability relationship. When he puts you under the knife, he takes a specific responsibility for your health at his hands. That responsibility generally extends to civil, not criminal law. If an ER doctor is in a public restaurant and you start choking and he doesn't run over and save your life, he's neither criminally nor civilly responsible.
Likewise, if a police officer takes you into custody and books you and puts you into a jail cell where he's tasked with your welfare, he becomes liable due to a specific liability relationship existing.

You already know all this, I'm explaining to you concepts that you're being dishonest about.
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May 26 2022 01:19pm
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You're under the ER doctor's care with an existing liability relationship. When he puts you under the knife, he takes a specific responsibility for your health at his hands. That responsibility generally extends to civil, not criminal law. If an ER doctor is in a public restaurant and you start choking and he doesn't run over and save your life, he's neither criminally nor civilly responsible.
Likewise, if a police officer takes you into custody and books you and puts you into a jail cell where he's tasked with your welfare, he becomes liable due to a specific liability relationship existing.

You already know all this, I'm explaining to you concepts that you're being dishonest about.


You intentionally misrepresented my position as "You want to prosecute person B for the act of you being stabbed by person A." and then when corrected backpedaled to agreeing with me about the current state of affairs.

I am not being dishonest, because what you just said is literally the exact thing I was saying. Police have no obligation to protect you.

They can sit there and do nothing while you are violently murdered even if they outnumber the person and are specifically there to arrest that person with all the equipment they thought was necessary.

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You intentionally misrepresented my position as "You want to prosecute person B for the act of you being stabbed by person A." and then when corrected backpedaled to agreeing with me about the current state of affairs.

I am not being dishonest, because what you just said is literally the exact thing I was saying. Police have no obligation to protect you.


Nobody has any obligation to protect you because it makes no legal sense, specifically because you cannot prosecute person B for the actions of person A. If someone decides to run up and stab you in public, that person is committing attempted murder. The bystanders are not. Nobody else possesses the mens rea, actus rea, causation, harm or concurrence of a criminal act. The entire body of criminal law dating back before common law and the Hammurabi Code calls the concept of unrelated vicarious liability a whole bunch of nonsense by someone who can't think logically.

If you want a good samaritan law, petition your representatives to pass one. Don't be surprised when it turns out black people disproportionately violate it, get disproportionately locked up for it and it raises incarceration rates

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May 26 2022 01:27pm
have to say it’s always interesting to see the cross section of the people who want all military, all police l, and all law enforcement to lose funding, but also want these forces to be the only ones with guns and be the ones to seize guns from citizens
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Nobody has any obligation to protect you because it makes no legal sense, specifically because you cannot prosecute person B for the actions of person A. If someone decides to run up and stab you in public, that person is committing attempted murder. The bystanders are not. Nobody else possesses the mens rea, actus rea, causation, harm or concurrence of a criminal act. The entire body of criminal law dating back before common law and the Hammurabi Code calls the concept of unrelated vicarious liability a whole bunch of nonsense by someone who can't think logically.

If you want a good samaritan law, petition your representatives to pass one. Don't be surprised when it turns out black people disproportionately violate it, get disproportionately locked up for it and it raises incarceration rates


Your premise is false. It absolutely makes sense to have a legal obligation to protect somebody in some circumstances. In fact, we have many instances where that's already the case. If you are in police custody they are legally obligated to render aid and reasonably protect you, for instance. Doctors in a hospital who's care you have been entrusted to is another example.

So there's your entire premise busted. We aren't debating if another person can be required to protect you. They can, end of story. It's really that simple.

But we can debate under what circumstances they can be required to protect you if you want.

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May 26 2022 01:39pm
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Guns level out the field.Common sense would tell you if som1 owns all the mods and hacks on D2 they win and you loose.

elites ruling everything means just that. Why is it hard for you to understand that those who print the money, those who own islands, those who have power even beyond money or trillions own you and even w/ technology and forces you can't see to the naked eye? I think you're projecting your boot licking fetish on this forum far too much bender. In fact elites gathered together even at places like Bohemian grove where they watch mock ritual sacrifices to a biblical owl god.

It's a very different reality for those @ top; become an informed vigilant citizen I emplore you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEMWw9RbscQ


Moloch (/ˈmoʊlɒk/; Biblical Hebrew: מֹלֶךְ Mōleḵ or הַמֹּלֶךְ‎ hamMōleḵ;[a] Ancient Greek: Μόλοχ, Latin: Moloch; also Molech or Molek) is a name or a term which appears in the Hebrew Bible several times, primarily in the book of Leviticus. The Bible strongly condemns practices which are associated with Moloch, practices which appear to have included child sacrifice.
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Quote (sirthom @ May 26 2022 12:39pm)
Moloch (/ˈmoʊlɒk/; Biblical Hebrew: מֹלֶךְ Mōleḵ or הַמֹּלֶךְ‎ hamMōleḵ;[a] Ancient Greek: Μόλοχ, Latin: Moloch; also Molech or Molek) is a name or a term which appears in the Hebrew Bible several times, primarily in the book of Leviticus. The Bible strongly condemns practices which are associated with Moloch, practices which appear to have included child sacrifice.


backwards 'cholom' /"golem" ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan

Quote (excellence @ May 26 2022 12:27pm)
have to say it’s always interesting to see the cross section of the people who want all military, all police l, and all law enforcement to lose funding, but also want these forces to be the only ones with guns and be the ones to seize guns from citizens


all that will happen is they get funding from private sectors in the form of anon donations, they take all guns like they did w/ hurricane katrina ship every1 off in fermeldahyde trailers only to resell those cancer boxes to native americans.
Small world.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 26 2022 11:37am)
They have a professional obligation to protect you. Nobody in the world has a criminal liability for crimes being perpetrated against you other than the perpetrator. You cannot demand criminal prosecution of the other 6 billion people in the world who didn't stab you. Why in the world should there be? Person A stabs you. Person B doesn't. You want to prosecute person B for the act of you being stabbed by person A.

Liberalism is a mental disorder at this point


Fortunately there is no professional obligation police, what you're insinuating is egregiously naive and dangerous to the unsuspecting.
Police are there to make sure those who stole your tax money are satisfied.
Police were actively going along w/ JDahmer when he was possessed by the spirit of satan and hydrogen bombing peoples brains until they were chemically lobotomized.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 26 2022 11:40am)
If an ER doctor does nothing but sit in the room while you die they would get charged with malpractice. If they don't render appropriate aid, diagnosis, or otherwise breach the standard of care they can be sued as well. This isn't you charging the doctor for giving you a heart attack. It's their legal obligation as professionals.

This isn't a hard concept if you're honest, but I get it, you have to hack as hard as you can to make cops look good. You've decided that's your mission on this forum.


Oversight, it isn't ran by good joes who want to do the right thing, its ran by board of direc sharks who protect their own and want highest return on their cap.
A doctor could tell you your c19 infection is "a hygiene thing", administer isotonics, painkillers, collect his money and go all the while making things worse.
If people are silly enough to go to a hospital willingly they reap from that action of increased suffering. They want as many people in and out and repeat customers if need be.
Ho-spi-tals are great place to sell your soul and earn money while torturing the unsuspecting or free thinking. Bad place for anyone who is of a kind autonomous nature.

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Your premise is false. It absolutely makes sense to have a legal obligation to protect somebody in some circumstances. In fact, we have many instances where that's already the case. If you are in police custody they are legally obligated to render aid and reasonably protect you, for instance. Doctors in a hospital who's care you have been entrusted to is another example.

So there's your entire premise busted. We aren't debating if another person can be required to protect you. They can, end of story. It's really that simple.

But we can debate under what circumstances they can be required to protect you if you want.


Being in police custody =/= not being in police custody. The key word there is custody. Because a custodial relationship is precisely what creates liability. Same as being in the custody of an ER doctor.
I'm trying to wrap my head around how you just replied to several posts of me explaining how police custody creates a liability, by trying to say "gotcha" as if just now several posts later you decided that this overturns the premise that people unrelated to you and not in a custodial relationship have no liability for you. It would be like if you argued that tacos are better than waffles by claiming that waffles and pancakes aren't the same thing. It a nonsequitor. Its not even an argument.
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May 26 2022 02:23pm
More kids die going to school than cops die going to work.
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