Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 24 2021 01:03am)

Line 2: Without manual labor there is nothing. All the metals must be mined. All the food most be farmed. All the meat must be butchered. All the wounds must be tended to, all the food must be cooked. FFS, without manual labor, there is no procreation and the human race goes extinct. You class manual labor as "less than" but you don't even know what you're referring to. You talk about free trade being better, well, that's the argument of slavery itself. AKA you have no principles. Just like every other progressive on JSP. Tell me, if you needed an Organ Transplant and discovered that it was going to come from a Uyghur Muslim who is currently alive, and about to be "harvested" on your behalf, would you say yes, or no?

Lefty? Definitely! Would you be a slave owner, based on your own post? Almost certainly, back in that era. Principled? Nah. That being said, I don't particularly wish to call you out here, I think, to a point, you're far more honest with your views than folks like the land whale there, who just get butthurt and go on stalking sprees. ♥

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 23 2021 11:21pm)

I like how you're saying progressives have no principles while you are basically quoting Marx word for word.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 23 2021 11:24pm)

Wait the right values STEM now?

Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 23 2021 11:24pm)

Wait the right values STEM now?

Quote (thundercock @ 23 Nov 2021 23:14)

I don't support Chinese labor because it's too expensive. I prefer Bangladesh, Vietnam, Kenya, etc. Anyway you obviously have no idea what it means to be a conservative because you're spouting off AOC/Bernie Sanders talking points. Every establishment person on the right would agree with what I'm saying.

Mining? Let machines and Africans do it. Farming? Let machines and Hispanics do it. Food cooked? Machines and high school students for fast food. Skilled chefs for fine dining. I don't mind paying a lot of money for a meal that takes a lot of skill to create. Most manual labor is "less than" from an economic standpoint but that's okay. People don't need to define themselves by their career.

You say I'm not principled but I am. I support the best product for the cheapest price. You're the liberal who wants to pay some piece of white trash to do a shitty job when someone in Vietnam can do it 10x better at rate that is 10x cheaper. Like I said, it's affirmative action.

If I need an organ transplant, I don't care where it comes from. It could come from your wife, a child in Guatemala, etc. I value my life more than theirs. That's principled.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 11:36pm)

Machines can only perform so much of the mining process. There's a huge amount of physical labor involved, even with machines.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 11:36pm)

Establishment person on the right? If you're referring to Mitt Romney, the outsourcer and chief, we agree. What other RINO are you referring to? The right has been screaming about China for nearly two decades. Have you failed to listen? What you're attempting to justify is very similar to people attempting to claim that doing business with the USSR (during their compulsory labor phase) is just good business, because while they may be a threat, Americans "just don't want to do the work". Yet it turns out, Americans will do any work you can find for them, until you get to a point where they're putting in 50 hour workweeks and can't even afford rent.

Machines can only perform so much of the mining process. There's a huge amount of physical labor involved, even with machines. This isn't Star Trek, and you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Further, let what Africans do it? The US is the #1 source for coal on the planet, and when it comes to metal, we're in the top 3, depending on the metal. That's not because of African holdings, it's because these are our natural resources. "Africans" can't mind our natural resources in our nation without following our human rights and environmental guidelines. For food cooked, you trust a high school student to make you a restaurant quality meal? Don't have any issue with eating Mexican, but what if what you really want is a Lasagna? The entire point is that you're grouping all manual labor into something simple and basic like stocking a shelf or working at McDonalds. A lot of manual labor takes years or even decades to become a master of, and a huge amount of it (shall we talk road work?) is incredibly physically taxing, yet the infrastructure of the nation can't go without it. And before you go and insult even the McDonalds worker too heavily, let's discuss why you can't make your own fucking food. Why is that? The 15 minutes to create a meal of your own costs you $15 out of your $60/hour job? Why don't you want to pay $15/hour to the McDonald's worker again?

Supporting the best product at the cheapest price isn't a principle that has existed since the abolition of slavery. Because let's face it, that WAS the cheapest way to produce quality products, and indeed, still is, hence why China, who's using an entire ethnic group for slave labor (I did get some luls on the fact that among other things, Uyghurs pick cotton) and still has areas of their nation where compulsory labor is the law, are the go to. Best product for the cheapest price also ignores environmental concerns. We aren't talking CO2 here. We're talking CO, waste dumpage into water sources, etc. And huge portions of China now have unbreathable air and toxic waters specifically because of this. What you're supporting is outsourcing everything you believe won't impact you personally, and having it done in the cheapest way possible in somebody else's yard. So that you can live in a paradise, while they live in a mostly unlivable shithole, and you can eat steak and caviar, while they eat plastic rice and bugs.

The last line is honestly what I value about your posts. You don't go full land whale and try to make yourself sound virtuous when you're not. The "right wing" stance on organ transplant is it has to be a willing donor who either just died, or would not die due to the procedure. You just don't care, like most progressives. And I'll even admit, you do have a principle, "I matter, nobody else does." Just like every Southern Democrat Slave Owner who ever lived. It's legit, and not something I'd try to talk you out of.

@Land Whale: Haven't we gone over the fact that you're not on the right, any representation you make of the right is false by definition? You don't speak for others, you speak for yourself. And the Right clearly cares about climate. Who started the EPA and why? Why have we gone so far to remove the smog from our air and the toxicity from our waters? Wasn't the left, now was it? No, that was already covered decades ago. The left only weaponizes well-intentioned departments that have done admirably at their job to attack small businesses in order to prop up Global Corporations to gain China more production and cost more Americans their jobs. ;)

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 24 2021 01:36am)

Establishment person on the right? If you're referring to Mitt Romney, the outsourcer and chief, we agree. What other RINO are you referring to? The right has been screaming about China for nearly two decades. Have you failed to listen? What you're attempting to justify is very similar to people attempting to claim that doing business with the USSR (during their compulsory labor phase) is just good business, because while they may be a threat, Americans "just don't want to do the work". Yet it turns out, Americans will do any work you can find for them, until you get to a point where they're putting in 50 hour workweeks and can't even afford rent.

Machines can only perform so much of the mining process. There's a huge amount of physical labor involved, even with machines. This isn't Star Trek, and you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Further, let what Africans do it? The US is the #1 source for coal on the planet, and when it comes to metal, we're in the top 3, depending on the metal. That's not because of African holdings, it's because these are our natural resources. "Africans" can't mind our natural resources in our nation without following our human rights and environmental guidelines. For food cooked, you trust a high school student to make you a restaurant quality meal? Don't have any issue with eating Mexican, but what if what you really want is a Lasagna? The entire point is that you're grouping all manual labor into something simple and basic like stocking a shelf or working at McDonalds. A lot of manual labor takes years or even decades to become a master of, and a huge amount of it (shall we talk road work?) is incredibly physically taxing, yet the infrastructure of the nation can't go without it. And before you go and insult even the McDonalds worker too heavily, let's discuss why you can't make your own fucking food. Why is that? The 15 minutes to create a meal of your own costs you $15 out of your $60/hour job? Why don't you want to pay $15/hour to the McDonald's worker again?

Supporting the best product at the cheapest price isn't a principle that has existed since the abolition of slavery. Because let's face it, that WAS the cheapest way to produce quality products, and indeed, still is, hence why China, who's using an entire ethnic group for slave labor (I did get some luls on the fact that among other things, Uyghurs pick cotton) and still has areas of their nation where compulsory labor is the law, are the go to. Best product for the cheapest price also ignores environmental concerns. We aren't talking CO2 here. We're talking CO, waste dumpage into water sources, etc. And huge portions of China now have unbreathable air and toxic waters specifically because of this. What you're supporting is outsourcing everything you believe won't impact you personally, and having it done in the cheapest way possible in somebody else's yard. So that you can live in a paradise, while they live in a mostly unlivable shithole, and you can eat steak and caviar, while they eat plastic rice and bugs.

The last line is honestly what I value about your posts. You don't go full land whale and try to make yourself sound virtuous when you're not. The "right wing" stance on organ transplant is it has to be a willing donor who either just died, or would not die due to the procedure. You just don't care, like most progressives. And I'll even admit, you do have a principle, "I matter, nobody else does." Just like every Southern Democrat Slave Owner who ever lived. It's legit, and not something I'd try to talk you out of.

@Land Whale: Haven't we gone over the fact that you're not on the right, any representation you make of the right is false by definition? You don't speak for others, you speak for yourself. And the Right clearly cares about climate. Who started the EPA and why? Why have we gone so far to remove the smog from our air and the toxicity from our waters? Wasn't the left, now was it? No, that was already covered decades ago. The left only weaponizes well-intentioned departments that have done admirably at their job to attack small businesses in order to prop up Global Corporations to gain China more production and cost more Americans their jobs. ;)

Quote (thundercock @ 24 Nov 2021 00:00)

Uhh, basically every elected Republican supports what I support when it comes to trade. It's like you don't even follow politics or something. Anyway, you know how anti-China I am because we had a discussion where I wanted to annihilate them over invading Taiwan and you wanted to appease them. Yes, I do support China being a 3rd world shit hole where people die from toxic waste while I live like a king. It's great to be an American!

Why aren't I making my own food? Because it's not efficient. I can pay a low price of $40 and have an exotic meal for two. Korean BBQ, Indian food, sushi, etc. Do you expect me to go to the docks, pick out the fish, cut it myself, make the rice so it's the right amount of sticky, etc.?

I think we've established that you're firmly left wing when it comes to economics and trade. That's fine. We can agree to disagree on these subjects. But I implore that you continue to vote Republican because then my policies get passed and yours don't :)