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Nov 3 2021 02:41pm
I'm late to the party on this thread. Ill 'open fire' some thoughts on this idiocy.

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates self defense. The amount of video evidence and camera angles available for this case is truly impressive. There is no excuse to be running with the NPC talking points on this one.

No, the existence of the highly politically motivated and corrupt prosecution does not mean the case has merit.

Open carrying is not violence or an escalation of violence and is categorically different from drawing on someone in a fight.
That is absurd and calling it basic training doesnt make it true.

The 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms are not just for hunting.

There is no obligation to let rioters and child molesters kill you if you have a weapon.
Yes its still self defense if you use a firearm in self defense

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 3 2021 02:42pm
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This is taught on day 1 of any basic firearms course in Canada.


It's an "escalation of violence" only if there is violence to speak of. When there is no violence (which is the case in a lot of instances), it's just some dude carrying a firearm. Sorry that this disturbs you so much.
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Nov 3 2021 02:43pm
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It's an "escalation of violence" only if there is violence to speak of. When there is no violence (which is the case in a lot of instances), it's just some dude carrying a firearm. Sorry that this disturbs you so much.


Nobody has disputed that there was violence. He went expecting violence. That's the entire reason he went, because he heard the riots were damaging the city.
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It's an "escalation of violence" only if there is violence to speak of. When there is no violence (which is the case in a lot of instances), it's just some dude carrying a firearm. Sorry that this disturbs you so much.


Nothing bothers me. I simply stated what is in the curriculum of the PAL course in Canada.
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Nobody has disputed that there was violence. He went expecting violence. That's the entire reason he went, because he heard the riots were damaging the city.


We are talking about the Canadian firearm class SBD was mentioning.

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Nothing bothers me. I simply stated what is in the curriculum of the PAL course in Canada.


Well the PAL course, which you apparently think is gospel, might be wrong.

Could it be?
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Nov 3 2021 02:46pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 3 2021 03:41pm)
I'm late to the party on this thread. Ill 'open fire' some thoughts on this idiocy.

Overwhelming evidence demonstrates self defense. The amount of video evidence and camera angles available for this case is truly impressive. There is no excuse to be running with the NPC talking points on this one.

No, the existence of the highly politically motivated and corrupt prosecution does not mean the case has merit.

Open carrying is not violence or an escalation of violence and is categorically different from drawing on someone in a fight.
That is absurd and calling it basic training doesnt make it true.

The 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms are not just for hunting.

There is no obligation to let rioters and child molesters kill you if you have a weapon.
Yes its still self defense if you use a firearm in self defense


I fully agree the shots were defensive in nature.

I don't necessarily agree that he can claim self defense when it can logically be asserted that "he went looking for trouble." He made a positive decision to put himself into a dangerous situation. I agree he has a right to defend himself, but I'm truly torn on a legal claim of self defense.
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Well the PAL course, which you apparently think is gospel, might be wrong.

Could it be?


You don't think that brandishing a weapon around an already hostile situations further escalates violence? Or are you in the opinion this was indeed a peaceful protest?
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I prefer meme image format with a typed out source that's not embedded so you have to manually type it into the url, only to have it be an unrelated study, and after which when informing said poster of the misinformation, they reply with "it sounds like something that's real though"
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You don't think that brandishing a weapon around an already hostile situations further escalates violence? Or are you in the opinion this was indeed a peaceful protest?


I am not talking about the case in this thread. I am responding to this something in the Canadian firearm course that you claim is taught on the first day.

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