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Mar 20 2018 04:04pm
So Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish fish industry and hard brexiteers like Farage and Rees-Mogg are going apeshit about concessions in fishing during the transition period. As parliament gets to vote on the final deal, the Scots may be more inclined to block it due to promises broken regarding 'taking back control'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43458081
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Mar 20 2018 05:58pm
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So Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish fish industry and hard brexiteers like Farage and Rees-Mogg are going apeshit about concessions in fishing during the transition period. As parliament gets to vote on the final deal, the Scots may be more inclined to block it due to promises broken regarding 'taking back control'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-43458081


Empty bleating over an industry no one really gives a fuck about.
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Quote (WNxIrvine @ Mar 21 2018 12:58am)
Empty bleating over an industry no one really gives a fuck about.


Or just an example of the concessions made in order to make it happen. Both sides have put in high demands at the start, leaving room to negotiate. These are examples of compromises to be made in order to reach the goal on this bumpy road.

But on a side note, tax heaven The Netherlands has removed its dividend tax (not sure about the translation there). To "level the playing field with British corporations". They have afterwards closed a few tax heaven loopholes on post bus firms, 3rd tax heaven countries and royalties. Some good measures to lower it on the list of being a tax heaven, complying with European demands, yet still giving a tax break for the rich in order to give Unilever an incentive to go to the Netherlands. They made the move just before this deal.

/e: from most of what is being reported the deal made is giving a bit of stability for most companies in the UK, and more likely to lead towards a soft brexit, it seems like progress.. But we'll have to see what happens next.

https://www.nu.nl/economie-achtergrond/5004605/moet-weten-dividendbelasting.html

nu.nl is not great btw. It will read as half Dutch propaganda for the measure in this article.

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Mar 21 2018 07:49am
The Spanish are getting pissy over Gibraltar and putting the transition deal in jeopardy. Sort it out, Zark.
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The Spanish are getting pissy over Gibraltar and putting the transition deal in jeopardy. Sort it out, Zark.


I've heard literally nothing about there being a fuss over Gibraltar regarding the transition deal. I think your press just wants to sell a story. The EU already guaranteed us that any negotiation between them and the UK regarding Gibraltar must be green lit by Spain, and that is enough to satisfy our government.
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Quote (WNxIrvine @ 21 Mar 2018 00:58)
Empty bleating over an industry no one really gives a fuck about.


funny you'd say that because i remember that before the referendum, 'unfair' EU regulations on fishing were in fact a very prominent talking point amongst brexiteers like yourself, generating a whole lot of support for the leavers, claiming you'd easily regain full control as soon as you leave.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/17/fishing-communities-brexit-hopes-may-be-too-high-peers-say
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funny you'd say that because i remember that before the referendum, 'unfair' EU regulations on fishing were in fact a very prominent talking point amongst brexiteers like yourself, generating a whole lot of support for the leavers, claiming you'd easily regain full control as soon as you leave.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/17/fishing-communities-brexit-hopes-may-be-too-high-peers-say


and they'll have to wait for two more years in a compromise.. Not a big deal for the whole process.
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and they'll have to wait for two more years in a compromise.. Not a big deal for the whole process.


and even will full control they will have to undertake serious conservation efforts and set quotas to keep fishing sustainable...
there is no magical return to the golden age of this industry, the brexit vote shockingly did NOT magically repopulate the oceans...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/griffin-carpenter/eu-common-fisheries-policy-has-helped-not-harmed-uk-fisheries-0
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Quote (fender @ Mar 23 2018 01:40am)
and even will full control they will have to undertake serious conservation efforts and set quotas to keep fishing sustainable...
there is no magical return to the golden age of this industry, the brexit vote shockingly did NOT magically repopulate the oceans...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/can-europe-make-it/griffin-carpenter/eu-common-fisheries-policy-has-helped-not-harmed-uk-fisheries-0


I havn't read all of it, just know that over fishing is a thing since a decade or two (3?). So quota's are set in that period of time. Tbh here, the sea is a wild place, not checked controlled enough by an authority. The quota's we have are still depleting our and UK's fishing waters, with young, smaller, less profitable fish being thrown overboard, dead. I'd be for giving more sovereignty over fishing areas. but I'm not sure it can stop the depletion without a great loss of jobs in the fishing industry. /e: Parlevliet en van der plas is catching masses around the UK with their subsidized EU fleet :/

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Quote (Knoppie @ 23 Mar 2018 01:50)
I havn't read all of it, just know that over fishing is a thing since a decade or two. So quota's are set in that period of time. Tbh here, the sea is a wild place, not checked controlled enough by an authority. The quota's we have are still depleting our and UK's fishing waters, with young, smaller, less profitable fish being thrown overboard, dead. I'd be for giving more sovereignty over fishing areas. but I'm not sure it can stop the depletion without a great loss of jobs in the fishing industry.


i am afraid that we have reached a point where this is not possible anymore
you cant protect the seas the way they should be and keep all the jobs at the same time

our oceans need a fucking break and the depletion has to be stopped with drastic and radical measures before its too late

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