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May 18 2016 01:47pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 18 2016 06:50am)
honestly Beo, as a trump hater myself, it gets a bit daunting reading you toss so many strawmans in an attempt to slander him. He's a successful businessman, hes a great brander of his own image, hes a successful entity in the public eye via his television shows.

The guy has a fucking horrendous set of policy suggestions and is a terrible flip flopped, how about you focus on the tangible issues with him as a candidate and person rather than spinning a line of BS on his business prowess. All this back and forth about whether staying consistent with business indexes versus running a business is moot. We live in a county that has a high failure rate of new businesses and he has a high success rate of new businesses. Leave it at that...


you don't like building walls or keeping jobs in America?
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May 18 2016 01:57pm
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you don't like building walls or keeping jobs in America?


no i dont like building expensive walls, id prefer fences. Neither will do much for border security. And no i do not like stifling the free market to appease uneducated labor.
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May 18 2016 02:08pm
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you don't like building walls or keeping jobs in America?


What's the plan for funding the wall if Mexico declines?

How does he plan on realistically taking the appeal of large wage gaps and automation out of the equation and bringing jobs back through renegotiating bad deals that don't have nearly as big of an impact as what I just mentioned?

How will he get tough with China without creating tensions that could lead to even worse problems and prices?
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May 18 2016 02:10pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 18 2016 09:50am)
honestly Beo, as a trump hater myself, it gets a bit daunting reading you toss so many strawmans in an attempt to slander him. He's a successful businessman, hes a great brander of his own image, hes a successful entity in the public eye via his television shows.

The guy has a fucking horrendous set of policy suggestions and is a terrible flip flopped, how about you focus on the tangible issues with him as a candidate and person rather than spinning a line of BS on his business prowess. All this back and forth about whether staying consistent with business indexes versus running a business is moot. We live in a county that has a high failure rate of new businesses and he has a high success rate of new businesses. Leave it at that...



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May 18 2016 02:16pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 18 2016 11:57am)
no i dont like building expensive walls, id prefer fences. Neither will do much for border security. And no i do not like stifling the free market to appease uneducated labor.


if by stifling the market you mean taxing American companies who move their factories to Mexico/etc and resell to America then I guess we just disagree here.

Walls work.
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"In areas where the fence has been completed, such terrorist attacks have dramatically declined, " the Israel Defense Forces website says.

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What's the plan for funding the wall if Mexico declines?

How does he plan on realistically taking the appeal of large wage gaps and automation out of the equation and bringing jobs back through renegotiating bad deals that don't have nearly as big of an impact as what I just mentioned?

How will he get tough with China without creating tensions that could lead to even worse problems and prices?


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

not exactly sure what you are asking in question #2. if you mean keeping big business in America its a multiple-piece idea that involves tax reform
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May 18 2016 02:19pm
Quote (Beowulf @ 18 May 2016 21:08)
What's the plan for funding the wall if Mexico declines?


the wall is a bad joke like the rest, he got asked several times and never answered.
i would not compare dj trump business success rate with the average one in murrica, or only vs ppl having the same wealth.
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May 18 2016 02:22pm
Quote (majorblood @ May 18 2016 02:16pm)
if by stifling the market you mean taxing American companies who move their factories to Mexico/etc and resell to America then I guess we just disagree here.

Walls work.
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factory workers are priced out of jobs, holding on to them only damages us all. refocus the next generation to work with computers and let china turn bolts.

"walls work" (posts quote about fences in response to someone saying they prefer fences to walls)
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May 18 2016 02:24pm
Quote (thesnipa @ May 18 2016 12:22pm)
factory workers are priced out of jobs, holding on to them only damages us all. refocus the next generation to work with computers and let china turn bolts.

"walls work" (posts quote about fences in response to someone saying they prefer fences to walls)


go ahead and ignore the rest of it. I don't agree with having only high tech jobs in America. Not everyone has to work at a computer.
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May 18 2016 02:28pm
Quote (majorblood @ May 18 2016 02:24pm)
go ahead and ignore the rest of it. I don't agree with having only high tech jobs in America. Not everyone has to work at a computer.


i ignored the rest of it because i thought the differences in the comparison were evident, but i guess you used the example so you didn't... Even when walls are placed security and maintenance are required for them to work effectively, that's been true since the Great wall of China got its first set of patrolmen and sentinel towers.

Now ask yourself, will the US pay the same amount in maintenance and security for a southern border fence that keeps out illegal immigrants that the Israelis spend to keep out existential threats of terrorism? No, of course they wont.
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#3480
May 18 2016 02:34pm
If Trump ends up labeling the wall as "just a suggestion" like he did banning muslims what will there be for supporters to hold on to?
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