Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 16 2022 06:46pm)

You claimed I would actually agree with all of Fetterman's policy positions if I looked into them. I did look them up and found that I disagree with his stated position on 8 of the 12 issues mentioned on his wikipedia page.
You claimed that the people Fetterman wants to release were "literally innocent", I showed that the guy in the case used by Republican campaign ads is undoubtedly guilty and that the Republican ads don't state anything which is untrue.

And now you have the gall to talk down to me like you had been right on everything since this conversation started? Lol!


Regarding Democratic soft on crime policies and the current crime wave:

https://i.imgur.com/HUw1Wxf.jpg
https://harvardharrispoll.com/key-results-october-3/

So if we consider this poll from a well-known pollster to be credible, then a majority of registered Democrats believe that crime is indeed rising and that woke politicians are to blame. According to your twisted logic, not only a majority of the country at large but a majority of Democrats would need to be victims of GOP propaganda. :lol:


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Quote (Surfpunk @ 18 Oct 2022 17:46)

LOL @ using the term "woke politicians" in something that is purportedly supposed to be a "credible poll"

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And crime is perceived to be a big threat because the media paints it that way. There are greater threats to life and property than crime, but you don't see that ever covered.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 18 2022 11:17am)

How would you have phrased this question to be more neutral? Asking about "politicians who support progressive criminal justice reform" would be far too unwieldy for a poll question.


So stores which are closing down because shoplifting is out of control (due to not being punished) is just a fabrication of the media? Subway assaults have not gone up substantially?

Look, I don't deny that the media is sensationalizing every topic it touches and exacerbates public perception of crime beyond the level that would objectively be justified - but I have to disagree vehemently with this notion that the perception of growing crime as a threat is purely a media fabrication, that people are wrong or unjustfied in worrying about it, or that they wouldn't even notice this 30+ percent increase in violent crime if the media wasn't talking about it.

Quote (Surfpunk @ 18 Oct 2022 18:28)

You'll note that I never said crime wasn't increasing. But far more people die every year due to air pollution than from violent crime, but you rarely see news reports about that. Same thing with wage theft, even though more money is stolen from workers through wage theft than is stolen by all forms of property crimes combined. Same crickets from the media. At the end of the day, there are far greater risks to human life and property, yet there's no focus on that because the remedies for those don't involve proposals to increase police budgets.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 18 2022 11:57am)

Is it actually true that more people die from air pollution than from violent crime in the US? This is obviously true in places like India or China, but in the US?

The general problem with these types of threats is that they are very unevenly distributed. Someone with a normal or even good job will not feel threatened all that much by other people experiencing wage theft, but he will feel threatened if there was a deadly stabbing in the subway station he uses every morning. Same story with rape: yes, a woman getting beaten down and dragged behind a bush by a stranger is more rare than women getting raped by their own husband, but the former is a threat to all women while the latter is not for the vast majority of women who have a non-violent spouse that they can trust.

My point is that it is actually rational for threat perception to not be fully proportional to crime incidences.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 18 2022 11:57am)

Is it actually true that more people die from air pollution than from violent crime in the US? This is obviously true in places like India or China, but in the US?

The general problem with these types of threats is that they are very unevenly distributed. Someone with a normal or even good job will not feel threatened all that much by other people experiencing wage theft, but he will feel threatened if there was a deadly stabbing in the subway station he uses every morning. Same story with rape: yes, a woman getting beaten down and dragged behind a bush by a stranger is more rare than women getting raped by their own husband, but the former is a threat to all women while the latter is not for the vast majority of women who have a non-violent spouse that they can trust.

My point is that it is actually rational for threat perception to not be fully proportional to crime incidences.