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Apr 7 2020 12:05pm
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i'm wondering, why is trump pushing that chloroquine drug so hard, despite the potential drawbacks (side effects without any positive impact, unavailability for those who actually need it, idiots drinking fish tank cleaner...) of doing so?

does it benefit him financially, or is it just an ego thing? really strange imo...


It was basically an attempt at saying everything's fine since we have a treatment, don't worry, everything's fine, don't drop my approval ratings, everything's fine.

He has basically zero scientific knowledge so trying to tell him how drugs work or what the approval process is would be a non-starter. He was just grasping at anything to make himself feel better.

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Apr 7 2020 12:07pm
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i'm wondering, why is trump pushing that chloroquine drug so hard, despite the potential drawbacks (side effects without any positive impact, unavailability for those who actually need it, idiots drinking fish tank cleaner...) of doing so?

does it benefit him financially, or is it just an ego thing? really strange imo...


If I recall correctly, it was one of the things they used in the first documented US case. Feller was deteriorating pretty rapidly, and they were doing everything they could to try to save his life. I haven't read anything that indicates that it's particularly effective, or anything that indicates it's not.

I do know that inflammation of the lungs is a serious issue, and the drug is supposed to help combat that specific symptom, so maybe that's why? Also heard rumors floating around that NSAIDs (such as ibuprofen) shouldn't be used when infected with the virus (that could be bullshit, feel free to correct me, was just something I read from some complete faggotry source like CNN).

At any rate, most of what I see regarding Trump "pushing" it boils down to a simple, "What can it hurt? It might help them, so give it to them." And if that's the case, and the drug truly doesn't have any severe negative side effects, it's hard not to agree with him.
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If I recall correctly, it was one of the things they used in the first documented US case. Feller was deteriorating pretty rapidly, and they were doing everything they could to try to save his life. I haven't read anything that indicates that it's particularly effective, or anything that indicates it's not.

I do know that inflammation of the lungs is a serious issue, and the drug is supposed to help combat that specific symptom, so maybe that's why? Also heard rumors floating around that NSAIDs (such as ibuprofen) shouldn't be used when infected with the virus (that could be bullshit, feel free to correct me, was just something I read from some complete faggotry source like CNN).

At any rate, most of what I see regarding Trump "pushing" it boils down to a simple, "What can it hurt? It might help them, so give it to them." And if that's the case, and the drug truly doesn't have any severe negative side effects, it's hard not to agree with him.


The negative effects for coronavirus patients hadn't been evaluated yet, so it was unclear if it was better or worse to give them chloroquin.

NSAIDs can help if you have a fever so high it's damaging, but generally you don't want to take something that reduces fever or swelling because that's one of the ways your body fights viruses. If you aren't able to eat, sleep, etc. then taking it to alleviate symptoms can be more helpful, but if the fever isn't otherwise interfering with the patient you shouldn't give them NSAIDs.
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Apr 7 2020 12:14pm
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If I recall correctly, it was one of the things they used in the first documented US case. Feller was deteriorating pretty rapidly, and they were doing everything they could to try to save his life. I haven't read anything that indicates that it's particularly effective, or anything that indicates it's not.

I do know that inflammation of the lungs is a serious issue, and the drug is supposed to help combat that specific symptom, so maybe that's why? Also heard rumors floating around that NSAIDs (such as ibuprofen) shouldn't be used when infected with the virus (that could be bullshit, feel free to correct me, was just something I read from some complete faggotry source like CNN).

At any rate, most of what I see regarding Trump "pushing" it boils down to a simple, "What can it hurt? It might help them, so give it to them." And if that's the case, and the drug truly doesn't have any severe negative side effects, it's hard not to agree with him.


His statement caused a shortage of the medicine and people who require it to control Lupus were unable to get it. This isn't all Trump's fault...the reason it was stolen so much was because people with prescribing powers acted unethically and stockpiled it for friends and family. You have podiatrist and eye doctors writing massive prescriptions for malaria medicine for their friends and family out of the blue.

Trump shouldn't be so desperate and impulsive going forward. It gets people hurt. His words matter even though he pretends to be inconsequential when it suits him.

This kind of antibiotic has horrible side effects. Old folks get pneumonia, utis get something else, get treated with a flouroquinolone (sp?) atb, and go into delirium from the shit all the time. Delirium is very dangerous.

I've only learned about all this over the past year on senior behavioral unit being beat up by granny lol. This senior stuff is scary.

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If you die at home from the coronavirus, there’s a good chance you won’t be included in the official death toll, because of a discrepancy in New York City’s reporting process.

https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths
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so the "omg this ruins the whole chain of command" people from yesterday will become "look how the media ruined this man's career who did nuttin wrong"?
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so the "omg this ruins the whole chain of command" people from yesterday will become "look how the media ruined this man's career who did nuttin wrong"?




No it doesn't...

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It was unclear whether Defense Secretary Mark Esper accepted Modly’s resignation offer, which came after Democrats in Congress called for his removal, citing a loss of confidence.

Esper’s office and the Navy declined to comment.



And even if he does resign, it still doesn't. :)

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No it doesn't...




And even if he does resign, it still doesn't. :)


i believe you mean: "no they won't, yet, maybe, but still probs"
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