Ultimately it's up to the coroner. And a huge portion of the problem regarding the worldometer "reporting" is that it's not waiting for determination to come through. Analysis by the CDC has already shown that quite a number of non-related pneumonia and flu deaths have already been mis-reported as COVID19 deaths, and aren't corrected until after coroner examination.

Regarding the -1 death reporting, that's clearly an attempt to correct a mis-reported cause of death. That IS one good thing about worldometer, they do attempt to correct their mistaken statistics when facts come out. I've not said they're a poor resource, merely that they're in no way "official". They're more like a "more accurate version of the news" that has no real political goal or narrative interest.

Regarding "a throat tickle" or other things making me paranoid? No. I'm frankly not concerned about contracting covid19 at all. I'm not 50+ and don't suffer from anything that's likely to cause my case to be severe (or even noticeable) if I do get it. The latest numbers from the CDC STILL show that those under 50 who contract it who suffer severe symptoms or death are incredibly low, most have simple cold-like symptoms or are asymptomatic. Further, even assuming moderate-severe symptoms, I'd be really hard pressed to make the decision to go to the hospital, because unless I needed to be put on oxygen immediately, there's a good chance I'd be turned away and never even tested.

People "get sick" all the time with things that have killed and are currently killing people. Worrying about being a victim of every little bug that comes along is not a good thing.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 6 2020 07:47pm

The Captain says you're wrong but I guess I'll take your word over his. Maybe you should be the next Captain!

Anyway, I had no idea that you were such a bleeding heart. You would have stopped D-Day b/c some troops got sick. It's a shame that you won't be able to vote for Bernie Sanders in November.

War movies are NOT the real thing. 2-3 sick folks... even 10, would be workable. After what we've seen on the cruise ships though.... the Roosevelt is down for the count. The captain should NOT have made that news, public.

How many times do I have to tell you? The Captain didn't make the news public. Someone ELSE leaked it. Anyway, the Captain stated the Roosevelt is fully capable of fighting RIGHT now it's just that there'd be losses due to the virus. You would know this if you read the letter, but it's pretty clear that you didn't do that because 4 pages is A LOT.

But you bring up an interesting point. Based on your observation of cruise ships, you were able to astutely determine that navy ships would be in even worse shape. Man, you must know more than Russian and Chinese intelligence! We should also make sure that they don't look up where aircraft carriers are stationed (it's on Wikipedia). If they find that info out, boy howdy, we are SCREWED!

I'm curious regarding this count, as my understanding is that in all facets, but especially operational readiness of navy vessels that there are redundancies for all positions. So a sizable portion of the crew could be lost and/or quarantined while still maintaining functionality. Merely long-term viability of said functionality being reduced, due to longer hours and less sleep being allowed to "the redundancies".

Perhaps I was misinformed, and the military under-staffs highly armed naval vessels like retail stores do cash registers. Never know I guess.

1. The captain is responsible for anything that happens on that ship, and that includes... leaks.
2. The captain should have never written the letter in the 1st place, which would have solved the problem before it happened.

Any commanding officer would have been relieved of command if that had happened on any base, ship or boat in the US military.


While you make think this is fun, I don't. After this CV 19 thing passes, go to some bar where old army or navy guys hang out and discuss this with them. They will tell you the same thing. The US military functions the way it does because after 230 yrs they've learned a few things about how to be the world's greatest fighting force.

Snowflakes, modern lefties and offended folks... need not apply.

Why would I go to a bar when I can just ask my dad who is a retired officer? All of his friends are former navy (O-6+) and I come from a multi-generational line of sailors. You probably didn't know that I grew up in San Diego and that I was a defense contractor for several years there. I know that I'm releasing classified info, but San Diego is a very large military city. They train the SEALS there (I really hope I don't get a warn for saying that!), have an aircraft carrier stationed there (hopefully no one is looking when it's docked!), and have several bases.

Anyway, there isn't consensus on this issue and it ranges from your point of view, to a catch-22, to "big navy" screwing over sailors. But please, tell me more about how the old enlisted guys are as dumb as you.

Devolving to insults. :/
Laterz.

That's very interesting. Now, your dad's navy friends are too small a sample to be representative, but assuming that this diverse array of views on the issue is indeed representative for the wider navy - does anyone think that this fact (no consensus on this issue)will be reflected in the news coverage?

Or will it come down to something along the lines of "Trump and his corrupt sycophants in the navy leadership punished a brave captain for leaking the true extent of their neglect to the public - the rank and file are on his side and bid him farewell with thunderous applause"?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 6 2020 08:49pm

The media will use this as a Trump whipping stick. That's pretty obvious. But like I mentioned earlier... what Crozier did was wrong and against the UCMJ.