Fender with lots of strawmans, lots of rage and little substance once again.
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- in what way is your bigoted and extremely misleading 'muh borders' talking point even relevant to the china issue discussed here?
you made a more general point in an attempt to show an inconsistency in ampoo's post. you wrote:
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if the EU was as powerful and dominating its members as you always (wrongly) claim when it fits your narrative, those countries would never have been in that position to begin with. now all of a sudden the EU did too little - how convenient.
I pointed out that there is no contradiction; that "
the EU is assertive when it comes to protecting its own future; and lacks assertiveness when it comes to protecting its citizens' wealth and safety."
a point which you wrongly claimed to be "completely factless". therefore, I gave you a list of facts which support my opinion that "
the EU fails to protect its citizens' wealth and safety".
oh, and of course it is not ""
bigoted and extremely misleading"" to point out that uncontrolled poverty migration from backwards cultures into a region with well-developed, generous welfare states and an advanced, knowledge-based economy is a recipe for disaster.
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- which solutions should the EU have pursued that guys like you would have supported then? i only ever see you guys complaining, no matter what's done or what's not done, never solutions.
there is no other solution to keep the eurozone alive in its current configuration than indefinite transfers from the north to the south. which is exactly the point: the EU should have realized that the Eurozone has to either be unwinded entirely, or be split into a "northern euro" and a "southern euro". I indeed believe that the philosophical/cultural differences between the northern and southern euro states (prioritizing stability and low inflation vs prioritizing spending and higher inflation) are the bigger obstacle than the differences in economic strength themselves.
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- you mean protectionism and strictly state regulated markets like china has? i didn't know you were in support of that approach until now.
strawman. we neither have to strictly regulate our markets, at least not to the same degree as china's. and we dont need to resort to general-purpose protectionism, we only need to protect our economies from abusive practices.
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- whenever a european army comes up, you guys are the first one to bitch about it - also, i didn't know that you're on the side of military interventionists - but in case you're not aware: china's threat to europe is not a military one
another strawman. first, I am never one of those who bitch about the idea of a european military. second, my support for a joint european military complementing the nation state's militaries does not make me an interventionist. note how I talked about deterrence, not intervention. and third, China's influence and military might is ever growing. do you think they are renting military bases in djibouti, tajikistan or india for fun? including China in my list was referring to a potential long-term threat, not to the present.
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- climate change deniers complaining about being behind in solar cell production, this is getting better by the item. but sure, please tell me how the EU prevent its members from developing those technologies? and why are they doing it?
and yet another strawman. I am not a climate change denier. what I deny is the hysteria and panic that some people exhibit regarding everything climate. I disagree with the mainstream on the urgency of climate change, and on the prioritization between prevention and mitigation.
furthermore, I am not against solar cells per se - I just think that this technology would be more effective in countries where it isnt too cloudy/rainy, or winter, for 60% of the year. and I think that we shouldnt rely too heavily on solar cells as long as no potent storage technology is available.
the EU is one of the leading funders of research grants and education programs, so our economies being left behind by the US and China on the wide range of future technologies that I listed in my previous post is something to hold against them.
This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 28 2019 07:26pm