Your aren't doing a comparative analysis, not controlling for before and after, not doing any real analysis. Just reacting. You aren't going to convince anybody with knowledge of how to do real research with your "legitimate points".

Oh good more denial paired with insults and a completely butchered version of history.

Did you even read what it said about the famines? I already pointed out some famines existed in the years before Stalin took over. It was nothing close to what happened under Stalin.
Its widely agreed upon that his policies caused the famine and starvation. Are you denying this?

It was not a case of Stalin merely not having a magic cure, it was a case of him actively applying poison.
He came into power and made things incredibly worse as a direct cause of his totalitarian communism.


As I said there is nothing even remotely similar to compare it to.
If you want to make the case that the great purge wasn't worse than the industrial revolution, that is on YOU guys to make it, not me.

The IR happened at a time when human conditions were not nearly as advanced, many years before stalin.
It led to massive improvements in human lives, never before seen in the history of the world. People flocked to the cities for a better life.
I already said there were bad things that happened and conditions in some places were atrocious, especially compared to now.
It doesn't even come close to the wholesale disaster that Stalin inflicted on the people there.

Do I really need to prove the existence of what happened? Are you unaware? Doubtful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor




Stalin directly caused widespread poverty, starvation and death.
Conditions became incredibly worse off as a direct result of his policies.

What kind of sick fuck thinks the industrial revolution even comes close to that?

Unsurprisingly you don't dare try to ridicule skinned or hold him to any standards whatsoever.
Nor have you contributed anything positive or productive to our discussions in years.
Instead you find any reason to take issue with what I say, expect me to post the opposite of what I think, and quibble over nothing.


You are equating success of the state and its military with the success of the people.
A typical and despicable marxist ploy.

He turned peasants, farmers political opponents, and critics into dead people and forced laborers.
Whats the saying? You need to break a few million eggs if you want to make an omelette?

He is one of the very worst dictators of all time, often considered as bad or worse than Hitler.
Yet here you are praising him as a success story and lying about the bad things he did. Disgusting.

But hey, a russian guy in space after Stalin died. Thats something.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 14 2015 01:45pm

Dude, Stalin was basically the Russian FDR.

if it wasn't for stalin we wouldn't have super mario so there's that too

This post was edited by duffman316 on Dec 14 2015 01:51pm

Gorbachev was the Russian Reagan.

Interference in iraq, 2003, while france refused and while it wasnt needed at all, for OIL reasons(1).
Destruction of infrastructures, starving, death(2), in one of the only non muslim and nearly developped country in the middle east.

(1) http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/20/iraq-war-oil-resources-energy-peak-scarcity-economy
(2) http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/may/11/iraq2
(2) http://www.juancole.com/2013/10/american-population-sanctions.html
(2) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html
But this EXAMPLE: we could talk about Africa too...

Now if you want to argue more about the victims of capitalism you can do it with the buch of historians & economists that wrote this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Livre_noir_du_capitalisme




This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Dec 14 2015 04:15pm

I'm with Cam here...you have to do some serious mental gymnastics to try and justify what the USSR went through under Stalin. Maybe if we were talking about what would the country would have looked like if it were Trotsky in charge instead, but that's not the case.

Stalin was a ruthless, genocidal maniac who would inspire Saddam Hussein. The gulags were fucking terrible. Stalin was in it for power and personal gain (as evidenced by the execution of his generals). Hardly a benevolent dictator.

I think socialism can work, but not Stalinism. That shit was awful and the former soviet states are still trying to recover, even today.

Nah it's eze
Just think like modern liberal social justice equality warrior and it's obvious
5 million white rural folks =/= 5 million people that matter

I'm with you to, but I'm trying to get him to actually do a legitimate comparison, so I figured I'd start him in an easy one, and he still refuses to get past his prepackaged responses.