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Jul 18 2026 03:43pm

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 18 2026 05:13pm)

then you are admitting it's not actually wrong and you just don't like it.

if someone has a different preference than you, how do you determine the truth between the two views or is there no truth content here and everything is just preference? this is the issue with calling something "good" or "evil" or even "wrong".

you cannot say "murder is wrong" without a justification of good vs evil, you can say "i don't like murder"

I don't buy your inane notion that people need a firm grasp on the language of philosophy to say something is wrong.

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Jul 18 2026 03:46pm

Quote (x_h @ Jul 18 2026 05:42pm)

I'm not pretending to be anything. I've also said rape is bad, but I ended up phrasing it as a preference because I'm not learned enough in philosophy to answer majoryblood's questions.

It's both.

I'm not sure what faith has to do with this.

You are learned enough. It's very simple.

If rape is bad, you believe in universal morality. You have faith in this morality, so much so in fact that you want to grievously punish people who deviate from it. That is a good thing.

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Jul 18 2026 03:49pm

Quote (addone @ Jul 18 2026 01:48pm)

It is a preference he can make it because he prefers not to die. In other words he is chosing the value of life over death based on his own values or natural survival instinct. You refuse to answer if the builder is right or wrong because you are intellectual coward, afraid your world view isn't as coherent as you think it is.

That's a problem with theoretical philosophy larping it's all fun and games until you have to prove it in real life.

I never said he cannot have a preference, I said he cannot say something is "wrong" or "good" or "evil".

right or wrong in what instance? structure a question for me

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Jul 18 2026 03:50pm

Quote (x_h @ Jul 18 2026 02:43pm)

I don't buy your inane notion that people need a firm grasp on the language of philosophy to say something is wrong.

cool dude great argument very intellectual. it's not about having a deep understanding of the language of philosophy it's about justifying your position, it's ok you have a religious faith in morality, just admit it because you're all over the place with your replies.

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Jul 18 2026 05:02pm

Quote (Shadowoffury @ Jul 19 2026 08:48am)

The problem is that you think people who do those things should be punished, right?

If you want to punish people for things, that is a statement of complete faith in the value of your beliefs over contradicting beliefs.

There are no moral subjectivists, I don't know why you guys feel the need to pretend to be one. Just be honest. Rape is bad. For sure. It's not hard to say.

I prefer blueberries to strawberries. Rape is not a matter of preference. It's good vs evil. Obviously.

Rape = unsolicited/unwanted sexual intercorse. The word itself has built in preference. Sex by itself isn't automatically evil. Just like eating strawberries. There is no word for unsolicited strawberry eating.

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Jul 18 2026 05:11pm

Quote (addone @ Jul 18 2026 04:02pm)

how do we know sex itself isn't automatically evil?
is unsolicited/unwanted sex evil, if so, how do we know this is the case?

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Jul 18 2026 06:05pm

Quote (addone @ Jul 18 2026 07:02pm)

Ya, that's why I didn't say "sex by itself is automatically evil".

Rape is evil. I know it and so do you, the lengths you're willing to go to talk around this instead of being honest is gross.

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Jul 18 2026 07:29pm

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 18 2026 06:50pm)

cool dude great argument very intellectual. it's not about having a deep understanding of the language of philosophy it's about justifying your position

My justification is shared values. Our issue here is that you want some other justification that I'm not capable of giving.

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 18 2026 06:50pm)

it's ok you have a religious faith in morality, just admit it because you're all over the place with your replies.

I don't even know what it means to have a religious faith in morality.

I don't have faith in morality. I think some things are moral and other things are immoral, but am open to changing my mind.

I don't see how faith comes into this at all.

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Jul 18 2026 07:35pm

Quote (majorblood @ Jul 18 2026 08:11pm)

how do we know sex itself isn't automatically evil?
is unsolicited/unwanted sex evil, if so, how do we know this is the case?

That response doesn't engage with the point being made. It's shifting the discussion from the definition of rape to a much broader philosophical question about whether all sex is morally wrong.

I really have no idea what most of your questions have been getting at.

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Jul 18 2026 08:25pm

Quote (addone @ Jul 18 2026 07:02pm)

This is really weird behavior how you just refuse to call something for what it is. Yet you say we live in a fantasy.

You live in a mental state where nothing is good and nothing is evil. It is all one spectrum.

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