Quote (bogie160 @ 26 May 2022 20:12)
No. The argument is not "homicide incarcerations are comparable to the rate of homicide, therefore this is true for all crimes". Rather, homicides are proportional to the rate of overall incarceration once you adjust for America's vastly higher rates of homicide. As an example, the United Kingdom incarcerates 129 per 100,000. The United States incarcerates 664 per 100,000, for a factor of 5.1. The homicide rates in both countries are 1.2 and 5.0 respectively, a factor of 4.2. So do Americans just like to toss people in jail? No, most of it can be explained as a consequence of higher crime. I suspected that this was probably true of violent crime as well, so thanks to you for dredging up a chart that illustrates it. Take the case of Portugal and Massachusetts, identify roughly what their respective violent crime rates are, and how many people they have behind bars. Now represent it as a ratio. Is Massachusetts slightly more severe? Perhaps, it's hard to tell with those tick marks, but again, the majority of the difference is accounted for by higher rates of overall violent crime.
Total incarcerations include both violent and non-violent offenders. Violent offenders make up a majority of the prison population. So if total incarcerations are proportional to the rate of violent crime, it's really hard for there to be an enormous disproportional pool of non-violent offenders rotting in jail. That isn't to say that we shouldn't do something about the people in jail solely for non-violent crimes. We should. But it's not what's driving America's enormous prison population.
Oligarchy is a dated term. Elites rule everywhere. It's a function of bureaucracy and the accumulation of power. If Americans found their government to be intolerable, they would act. It's a terribly poor argument to say that a people doesn't need to be armed because they haven't yet seen the need to overthrow the status quo.
from flawed statistics and bad logic to lazy whataboutisms without hesitation... you're really committed to dying on this hill for your masters, huh? "elites rule everywhere" is a meaningless phrase, because it does NOT mean that elites elsewhere rule as comprehensively and exclusively as in the US. how does that boot taste?
also, it's an even worse argument to suggest you have to tolerate children being gunned down regularly because at some point you'd totally use your guns to stop your tyrannical government - especially when history suggests the opposite, and common sense tells you that the gun issue is actually a benefit to the ruling class, deepening division and lowering the chance of their power being challenged by a united population.
today's gun nuts are the last people who'd ever revolt. they are the first to lick authority's boot, the first to get instrumentalised to attack their fellow americans over some made up culture war issue, and the last ones to push for any kind of meaningful change. you really need to stop lying to yourself, it's embarrassing...