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Well, here we go. A broken justice system that obviously favors whites, let this piece of shit go on ludicrously low bail on multiple felonies. Up to 6 counts of homicide (and maybe more).
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Nov 23 2021 11:57pm
Quote (AEtherTech @ Nov 23 2021 08:39pm)
It feels like bobb's the right, and thundercocks the left in this argument.


I don't think the argument really fits on a left/right paradigm. It's simply a different set of values. I value technology, national security, etc. whereas Bobb just wants to be left alone to live his life in peace.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 08:38pm)
Indeed. Hence why no state in the nation lacks property tax. Own property? Even if you're 100% self-sufficient, just to exist you must pay society to exist.

Are you sure you're not a communist?


Definitely not. I don't value manual labor and I love the establishment, military industrial complex, etc.

You're the one who is a bootlicker to China (ooooo they are so manly lmao)
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 11:09pm)
That's because thundercock is a proponent of the left.

He's only presented as "the right" by people on the left. Don't worry, the liars and trolls out themselves rapidly here. Hang around for a month or two, you'll get it figured out.


tcock and me are the only people on PARD who actually tested in the center of the political compass charts when we did those threads
I think the problem is we had/have a lot of ron-paul-esque libertarians and a lot of tankies so there wasn't much inbetween.
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Quote (thundercock @ 23 Nov 2021 21:57)
I don't think the argument really fits on a left/right paradigm. It's simply a different set of values. I value technology, national security, etc. whereas Bobb just wants to be left alone to live his life in peace.

Definitely not. I don't value manual labor and I love the establishment, military industrial complex, etc.

You're the one who is a bootlicker to China (ooooo they are so manly lmao)


The first line... I'm honestly astonished. That's a very good representation, and probably the first honest representation of me I've seen in PaRD. Add in that I'm a proponent of everyone else being left alone to live their lives in peace, and damn. :hail:

To the rest... I mean, the MSM were jizzing themselves over the "beauty" of the missiles launched at the Syrian airforce runway. That was universal to all warmongers, left and right. Saying that because you're pro-tech, you're on the right? Big tech is solid left. Saying that you're pro national-security? The national security complex is currently targeting the right. I don't know how these things show you're on the right in any way, shape, or form.

The fact that you don't value manual labor is not a good thing, if you're talking right vs left. The trades are all about manual labor, not to mention the backbone of society itself, and are supported universally by the right. And regarding China, seeing the damage the Progressives are doing to the masculinity of the US, the very thing that provides the near-on rabid protectiveness of our nation, while the Chinese are actively promoting it? If we expect to survive as a nation, we're losing, and that's why. There's no bootlicker here. This is PaRD. We're supposed to be discussing reality. In reality, you support leftist agendas. I don't. I support something somewhere between the conservative agenda and the (little l) libertarian agenda.

With what you support, all the states combined have gone to 3 Trillion in spending of tax dollars per year, and the federal government to 4 trillion. Local areas have seen their lives ruined, entire townships have had their primary sources of industry destroyed, entire industries have been outsourced. What I support? Fair trade, so the slaver nations like China cannot benefit from slave labor. If they utilize it? Sure, we'll trade with them. But we'll tax their products up to the level that they're competitive with our pricing which values human rights and even the environment. Then we can compete on equal terms. But you don't want to have this discussion, do you? The fact that the current model IS the slaver model? Only with Americans as the losers?

As I said, one of us is on the right. The other is very wrong. ;)

Quote (Goomshill @ 23 Nov 2021 22:01)
tcock and me are the only people on PARD who actually tested in the center of the political compass charts when we did those threads
I think the problem is we had/have a lot of ron-paul-esque libertarians and a lot of tankies so there wasn't much inbetween.


I don't respond to the threads, but my test came out almost dead center. Slightly lower (less authoritarian) and slightly to the right (less government). I've always acknowledged a need for government, the difference is, when they aren't producing anything, I see no need for cities.

It's not "society" if the cities are fed, powered, and provided clean drinking water by people outside the cities, then on top of that, the people outside the cities have to provide huge taxes for those in the cities, and in return, the cities provide nothing to those outside the cities. That's closer to a form of feudalism.

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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 10:08pm)
The first line... I'm honestly astonished. That's a very good representation, and probably the first honest representation of me I've seen in PaRD. Add in that I'm a proponent of everyone else being left alone to live their lives in peace, and damn. :hail:

To the rest... I mean, the MSM were jizzing themselves over the "beauty" of the missiles launched at the Syrian airforce runway. That was universal to all warmongers, left and right. Saying that because you're pro-tech, you're on the right? Big tech is solid left. Saying that you're pro national-security? The national security complex is currently targeting the right. I don't know how these things show you're on the right in any way, shape, or form.

The fact that you don't value manual labor is not a good thing, if you're talking right vs left. The trades are all about manual labor, not to mention the backbone of society itself, and are supported universally by the right. And regarding China, seeing the damage the Progressives are doing to the masculinity of the US, the very thing that provides the near-on rabid protectiveness of our nation, while the Chinese are actively promoting it? If we expect to survive as a nation, we're losing, and that's why. There's no bootlicker here. This is PaRD. We're supposed to be discussing reality. In reality, you support leftist agendas. I don't. I support something somewhere between the conservative agenda and the (little l) libertarian agenda.

With what you support, all the states combined have gone to 3 Trillion in spending of tax dollars per year, and the federal government to 4 trillion. Local areas have seen their lives ruined, entire townships have had their primary sources of industry destroyed, entire industries have been outsourced. What I support? Fair trade, so the slaver nations like China cannot benefit from slave labor. If they utilize it? Sure, we'll trade with them. But we'll tax their products up to the level that they're competitive with our pricing which values human rights and even the environment. Then we can compete on equal terms. But you don't want to have this discussion, do you? The fact that the current model IS the slaver model? Only with Americans as the losers?

As I said, one of us is on the right. The other is very wrong. ;)


Besides education (since the right is anti-intellectual), what left wing policies do I support?

Manual labor is for people who don't have the capacity to do anything else with their lives and it's something we should import. I love cheap products and that includes labor. Paying someone more than 5 bucks an hour to pour concrete is a legitimate waste of money as far as I'm concerned. Fair trade is economically inefficient and is firmly a left wing idea. It's the affirmative action of trade. If they can do something cheaper and you can't, why should anyone do business with you?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 24 2021 12:08am)
It's not "society" if the cities are fed, powered, and provided clean drinking water by people outside the cities, then on top of that, the people outside the cities have to provide huge taxes for those in the cities, and in return, the cities provide nothing to those outside the cities. That's closer to a form of feudalism.


TIL the people providing for a city don't get paid. The city does provide something for those outside. A paycheck and everything made within the city. Which is basically 100% of every item in your house.

But besides that point, what you just described is literally every society in all of human history. Cities have always been where the resources go because they are where the most people are.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 23 2021 10:33pm)
TIL the people providing for a city don't get paid. The city does provide something for those outside. A paycheck and everything made within the city. Which is basically 100% of every item in your house.

But besides that point, what you just described is literally every society in all of human history. Cities have always been where the resources go because they are where the most people are.


Bobb doesn't understand what a service is. He probably thinks that Diablo 2 is "nothing of value" even though he clearly values it enough to buy the game.
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Quote (thundercock @ 23 Nov 2021 22:26)
Besides education (since the right is anti-intellectual), what left wing policies do I support?

Manual labor is for people who don't have the capacity to do anything else with their lives and it's something we should import. I love cheap products and that includes labor. Paying someone more than 5 bucks an hour to pour concrete is a legitimate waste of money as far as I'm concerned. Fair trade is economically inefficient and is firmly a left wing idea. It's the affirmative action of trade. If they can do something cheaper and you can't, why should anyone do business with you?


Line 1: There's a difference in what the right and left views as education though. The right values all trades and all STEM fields. The left values liberal arts, which the right has no value or need for. If there's no practical application for your education, it's not worth much. And once again, you value the war machine, you value "free trade" where Americans utilize the slave labor provided by the Chinese, devaluing all American labor and putting entire American industries out of business. This is standard Democrat policy. Fair trade means that we have certain restrictions we have to abide by (human/worker rights, environmental concerns, etc.) which incur high costs. If China doesn't care about that, that's their business, but under fair trade, all of their goods will be tariffed at a rate where they gain no unfair advantage, giving the triple benefit of not encouraging US business to outsource to China if they wish to keep US customers, preventing the loss of tax incomes these cheaper products will create, and preventing the devaluing of US labor. I can pull up more leftists points you support if you wish, but I don't think it's necessary, at this point.

Line 2: Without manual labor there is nothing. All the metals must be mined. All the food most be farmed. All the meat must be butchered. All the wounds must be tended to, all the food must be cooked. FFS, without manual labor, there is no procreation and the human race goes extinct. You class manual labor as "less than" but you don't even know what you're referring to. You talk about free trade being better, well, that's the argument of slavery itself. AKA you have no principles. Just like every other progressive on JSP. Tell me, if you needed an Organ Transplant and discovered that it was going to come from a Uyghur Muslim who is currently alive, and about to be "harvested" on your behalf, would you say yes, or no?

Lefty? Definitely! Would you be a slave owner, based on your own post? Almost certainly, back in that era. Principled? Nah. That being said, I don't particularly wish to call you out here, I think, to a point, you're far more honest with your views than folks like the land whale there, who just get butthurt and go on stalking sprees. ♥
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 23 2021 11:03pm)
Line 1: There's a difference in what the right and left views as education though. The right values all trades and all STEM fields. The left values liberal arts, which the right has no value or need for. If there's no practical application for your education, it's not worth much. And once again, you value the war machine, you value "free trade" where Americans utilize the slave labor provided by the Chinese, devaluing all American labor and putting entire American industries out of business. This is standard Democrat policy. Fair trade means that we have certain restrictions we have to abide by (human/worker rights, environmental concerns, etc.) which incur high costs. If China doesn't care about that, that's their business, but under fair trade, all of their goods will be tariffed at a rate where they gain no unfair advantage, giving the triple benefit of not encouraging US business to outsource to China if they wish to keep US customers, preventing the loss of tax incomes these cheaper products will create, and preventing the devaluing of US labor. I can pull up more leftists points you support if you wish, but I don't think it's necessary, at this point.

Line 2: Without manual labor there is nothing. All the metals must be mined. All the food most be farmed. All the meat must be butchered. All the wounds must be tended to, all the food must be cooked. FFS, without manual labor, there is no procreation and the human race goes extinct. You class manual labor as "less than" but you don't even know what you're referring to. You talk about free trade being better, well, that's the argument of slavery itself. AKA you have no principles. Just like every other progressive on JSP. Tell me, if you needed an Organ Transplant and discovered that it was going to come from a Uyghur Muslim who is currently alive, and about to be "harvested" on your behalf, would you say yes, or no?

Lefty? Definitely! Would you be a slave owner, based on your own post? Almost certainly, back in that era. Principled? Nah. That being said, I don't particularly wish to call you out here, I think, to a point, you're far more honest with your views than folks like the land whale there, who just get butthurt and go on stalking sprees. ♥


I don't support Chinese labor because it's too expensive. I prefer Bangladesh, Vietnam, Kenya, etc. Anyway you obviously have no idea what it means to be a conservative because you're spouting off AOC/Bernie Sanders talking points. Every establishment person on the right would agree with what I'm saying.

Mining? Let machines and Africans do it. Farming? Let machines and Hispanics do it. Food cooked? Machines and high school students for fast food. Skilled chefs for fine dining. I don't mind paying a lot of money for a meal that takes a lot of skill to create. Most manual labor is "less than" from an economic standpoint but that's okay. People don't need to define themselves by their career.

You say I'm not principled but I am. I support the best product for the cheapest price. You're the liberal who wants to pay some piece of white trash to do a shitty job when someone in Vietnam can do it 10x better at rate that is 10x cheaper. Like I said, it's affirmative action.

If I need an organ transplant, I don't care where it comes from. It could come from your wife, a child in Guatemala, etc. I value my life more than theirs. That's principled.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Nov 24 2021 01:03am)
Line 1: There's a difference in what the right and left views as education though. The right values all trades and all STEM fields.


This is very very false.

The right actively denies climate science and evolution just to name the easy ones. There's also a far greater swath of righties that deny empirical studies of things like mask usage, viral spread, and epidemiology. They also go after pseudoscience like hydroxychloroquine and reject the definitive studies that confirmed it doesn't work.
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