Biden didn’t do very well. He said he’d raise taxes on all Americans, he refused to say he wouldn’t pack the courts, he lost the segment on law & order, & after talking about how unpresidential Trump is, he stooped to his level by telling him to shut up & calling him a clown. Trump just did worse. Interrupting can be pretty effective, however you have to do it at key moments, not constantly. There were several instances when it would have benefited Trump to just let Biden talk, like when he was flailing about packing the courts. Instead however, Trump just kept interrupting him with “Where’s your list, where’s the list Joe ?” Trump needs to tone it down, & reach out to America, specifically to groups he doesn’t do well with, like women, instead of just constantly talking at Joe or the moderator. I‘m sure there will be, however I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t another debate. The Biden team got the W they wanted. Everyone agrees it was a giant shit show, it was like a food fight in the middle of a dumpster fire. Nobody learned anything, & I doubt very many undecided voters were swayed either way.

I think in terms of ideology and policy this is true, this shitshow of a debate won't convince anyone of anything
but it has a mixed bag of reactions in terms of character. On one hand, Joe Biden cleared a low bar and was able to stand up to Trump's bullying without completely melting down as feared
on the other hand, Joe Biden's messaging in swing states has been focused on being a return to normalcy and decency- which Biden is self-sabotaging by mud wrestling with Trump
There's going to be some undecided voters who were leaning Biden because they didn't like Trump's character, who aren't going to warm up to Biden as much now after seeing him act so un-presidential
But again, Trump won the 2016 debates by rolling over people and Biden showed he can withstand that.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 30 2020 08:55am

Where has the media done this? I'd like to see a couple examples.

I'm all in favor of accuracy. It's true that just because the founder has said racist stuff, doesn't mean the group is white supremacist. I don't really pay attention to the Trump nutter groups so I don't know if the Proud Boys are white supremacist, white nationalist, have ties to white nationalists, or what.

Although just looking on Google, when you throw up the white power symbol sitting with Roger Stone, it kind of invites the white supremacist label.

According to antifa, the American flag is a white supremacist hate symbol

Their group leader is Hispanic? Lol

Or whatever he is, he is 100% not white however.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Sep 30 2020 09:12am

somewhere between the many black/asian/hispanic/pacific islander members and their explicit pledge against racism and bigotry, I think calling them a white supremacist group seems unreasonable.
misogynistic, islamophobic, xenophobic, maybe. But telling the black guy he's a white supremacist always baffles me
just like labeling the "okay" hand sign a 'white supremacist symbol'. Because in their circular definitions, they'll point to the Proud Boys using it as evidence.

World's worst white supremacists:



anyways as to the media, here's one example right from NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918483794/from-debate-stage-trump-declines-to-denounce-white-supremacy


I mean, just like the Biden campaign tweet about Rittenhouse, that's straight up libel. Its false, its inflammatory, and they know its false and inflammatory.
But more telling are the myriads of articles from outlets who are smart enough to know not to directly call the proud boys white supremacists but instead conspicuously fail to make that distinction and fact check the obvious error
ex;

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512

They never point out in that article that Proud Boys are not white supremacists, nor do any of the sources that vilify them like the ADL and SPLC actually label them white supremacists. Instead they just run the paragraph about white supremacists and Biden and Wallace's erroneous quotes next to calling the Proud Boys 'a violent, nationalistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and misogynistic hate group', all of which could at least be arguably true- but aren't whatsoever the same thing as white supremacy

They had the opportunity to fact check something and inform their readers, and instead chose to mislead them, while NPR straight up lied to their readers, as Biden and Wallace lied to Americans

This post was edited by Goomshill on Sep 30 2020 09:25am

most of you people need a street view of what these jackass groups look and act like.
If you think POC of color exclude them from being Ultra nationalist and in addition have seperate pocket groups that are straight up racist you never been there.
I don't know where the massive defense of this shit bag group of people came from. My perception has come from years of dealing with idiot either exactly like these guys or these guys themselves..
I know typing in the basement its easy to see said POC and go LOOK!@!! but its not the case.
and... if you don't think they are trumps private militia.. THEY sure as fuck think they are look at their responses today.

By supporting the GOP i have to assume you are pro-packing courts?

Separate pocket groups that are straight up racist?

What are those pocket groups? Is Black Lives Matter one of those or something?

Wouldn't those guys just say they are trolling? And I think trolling as a white supremacist says something about the group.

If you actually watch the video, including Rittenhouse is not unfair, as someone walking around with an assault rifle with others doing the same thing could reasonably be called a militia group.