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Mar 17 2020 11:07am
Quote (kalelvszod @ Mar 17 2020 11:23am)
Its funny how the media is burying the fact that biden literally swore at someone and asked him if he wanted to go outside and fight over a gun law question and shushed the women trying to calm him down. If biden gets in it will be worse than trump. Guys a pos.


Bidens up to 1% of the stuff Trump did at this point in the primary. Somehow that means Trump will be better
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Mar 17 2020 11:18am
Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 17 2020 12:07pm)
Bidens up to 1% of the stuff Trump did at this point in the primary. Somehow that means Trump will be better


his entire Biden is worse gimmick seems to rest on the fact that an old man is asking for an ass whoopin. other than the first fat guy he called out i think any of the others would have starched him.
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Mar 17 2020 11:20am
Quote (IceMage @ Mar 17 2020 09:44am)
I'm curious... what policies of the Joe Biden campaign are terrible? I'd like specifics.


ALL OF THEM. BIDEN IS A CORPORATE SHILL. LITERALLY ONLY ONE POLITICIAN HAS HAD GOOD POLICIES AND THAT'S BERNIE SANDERS.
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Mar 17 2020 11:23am
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ALL OF THEM. BIDEN IS A CORPORATE SHILL. LITERALLY ONLY ONE POLITICIAN HAS HAD GOOD POLICIES AND THAT'S BERNIE SANDERS.


it's funny that warren was a carbon copy of bernie, but as soon as she stayed in and didnt immediately endorse bernie her policies didnt matter, nor her elect ability, not anything. they pick and choose w/e reason they want to hate whomever isn't bernie with zero consistency.
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Mar 17 2020 11:23am
Quote (thundercock @ 17 Mar 2020 13:20)
ALL OF THEM. BIDEN IS A CORPORATE SHILL. LITERALLY ONLY ONE POLITICIAN HAS HAD GOOD POLICIES AND THAT'S BERNIE SANDERS.


great post my friend! only Barnie can win

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Mar 17 2020 11:24am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 17 2020 05:20pm)
Most opinions I've read from their side seemed to believe that Bernie would indeed have a better shot at defeating Trump.


Regarding your other point: just look at what fender wrote on the last page. Most Bernie supporters truly believe that the system is rotten to its core and that no meaningful change will be possible at all unless the entire system is torn down.


I for one can confirm that this is indeed what I believe.
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Mar 17 2020 11:30am
Quote (Leevee @ Mar 17 2020 12:24pm)
I for one can confirm that this is indeed what I believe.


but wouldn't you agree that Biden is likely to get something done? even if it's only 1% of what you'd like to see done? and that whatever he does wont be in a right leaning direction?

aka medicare expansion, undoing tax cuts from Trump, less regressive immigration policy, etc.

if someone offers me a dollar or a one in a million shot at a 100$ bill i'll take the dollar.
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Mar 17 2020 11:37am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 17 2020 06:30pm)
but wouldn't you agree that Biden is likely to get something done? even if it's only 1% of what you'd like to see done? and that whatever he does wont be in a right leaning direction?

aka medicare expansion, undoing tax cuts from Trump, less regressive immigration policy, etc.

if someone offers me a dollar or a one in a million shot at a 100$ bill i'll take the dollar.


Honestly, I don't think he'll get anything done that will really impact people's lives. I may be uninformed, but Biden is the least leftist candidate that I've seen in a long time.
One president is not going to make the difference that the USA needs, but I am convinced that Bernie can set a trend in motion. Be a catalyst, as you said. If him being elected can make left and right wingers realize that social democracy is plausible, and if this causes politicians to move even slightly to the left, then he'll have done a good job.
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Mar 17 2020 11:40am
Quote (Leevee @ Mar 17 2020 12:37pm)
Honestly, I don't think he'll get anything done that will really impact people's lives. I may be uninformed, but Biden is the least leftist candidate that I've seen in a long time.
One president is not going to make the difference that the USA needs, but I am convinced that Bernie can set a trend in motion. Be a catalyst, as you said. If him being elected can make left and right wingers realize that social democracy is plausible, and if this causes politicians to move even slightly to the left, then he'll have done a good job.


in america we dont get trends, we have a pendulum.

Bland Bush 1 led to charismatic Clinton, naughty Clinton led to Bush 2, Bush 2's Iraq war led to Obama, Obama's message of change and racial policy led to Trump, etc.

if we got Bernie it would cause a massive reaction in the states and senate/congress would be lost to a red wave, just like what happened to Obama. a bland centrist just a hair left of center will cause less of a reaction.
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Mar 17 2020 12:02pm
Quote (Leevee @ Mar 17 2020 10:37am)
Honestly, I don't think he'll get anything done that will really impact people's lives. I may be uninformed, but Biden is the least leftist candidate that I've seen in a long time.
One president is not going to make the difference that the USA needs, but I am convinced that Bernie can set a trend in motion. Be a catalyst, as you said. If him being elected can make left and right wingers realize that social democracy is plausible, and if this causes politicians to move even slightly to the left, then he'll have done a good job.


That's b/c you're listening to rhetoric instead of looking at his actual policies. If you compare those policies to the policies of other winners, you'll see that you're merely uninformed.
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