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Nov 19 2025 07:59pm
no, if you willingly act as a human shield for terrorists, you are not innocent.
if you willingly use your children as human shields, you are a terrorist.
also, to expand on this, children should NEVER be at political marches etc. here in ireland i advocate that bringing children to political marches is a form of abuse / brainwashing.


So then you understand the problem Israel is faced with? They told civilians to leave, so that the war could be fought against only Hamas. You can say that this was an unfair expectation, and I'd agree with you, but it was the only option.

If a military force was outside of my home and told me on a loudspeaker that there were terrorists in my basement and I had 60 seconds to get my children out before everything I owned was destroyed, I would be out. My children would be safe. It would not be fair, as life often isn't, but we would survive and I would appreciate the chance I was given. They were given weeks, which turned into months and then years. They don't have to be there. Their children don't have to be there. It's a fucking despicable decision to keep your children in a warzone. Hamas told them to stay, so that they could be used as human shields, and so that their deaths could be used to vilify Israel, and they decided that was a viable option.
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if israel are so bad, why would they release in farsi, their technology and procedures to drastically increase water retention and supply to Iran, for free btw.

explain to me like im 5, how you can spin that into them being evil still.



LOL
You already sound 5.


Israel must be absolved of all wrong-doings, they translated something to farsi.

Thread closed.

So then you understand the problem Israel is faced with? They told civilians to leave, so that the war could be fought against only Hamas. You can say that this was an unfair expectation, and I'd agree with you, but it was the only option.

If a military force was outside of my home and told me on a loudspeaker that there were terrorists in my basement and I had 60 seconds to get my children out before everything I owned was destroyed, I would be out. My children would be safe. It would not be fair, as life often isn't, but we would survive and I would appreciate the chance I was given. They were given weeks, which turned into months and then years. They don't have to be there. Their children don't have to be there. It's a fucking despicable decision to keep your children in a warzone. Hamas told them to stay, so that they could be used as human shields, and so that their deaths could be used to vilify Israel, and they decided that was a viable option.


The people in Gaza are not allowed to leave Gaza, genius.

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So then you understand the problem Israel is faced with? They told civilians to leave, so that the war could be fought against only Hamas. You can say that this was an unfair expectation, and I'd agree with you, but it was the only option.

If a military force was outside of my home and told me on a loudspeaker that there were terrorists in my basement and I had 60 seconds to get my children out before everything I owned was destroyed, I would be out. My children would be safe. It would not be fair, as life often isn't, but we would survive and I would appreciate the chance I was given. They were given weeks, which turned into months and then years. They don't have to be there. Their children don't have to be there. It's a fucking despicable decision to keep your children in a warzone. Hamas told them to stay, so that they could be used as human shields, and so that their deaths could be used to vilify Israel, and they decided that was a viable option.


in Khan Younis – after an evacuation order – dozens of Palestinians fleeing were struck by tank fire and airstrikes, even though the area was supposed to be humanitarian.
in al-Mawasi, a zone Israel itself designated as a “humanitarian safe area,” there have been multiple attacks.
Meanwhile, the UN has repeatedly warned that displaced Palestinians who heed evacuation orders are targeted in the very corridors they were told to take.
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Nov 20 2025 03:40am
so false lmao, but you're probably referring to ex military and government officials who are the far left in Israel, no different than here the left talking shit about trump etc
but you probably saw a cnn article or a leftist media israel headline and took it as truth, as per most individuals now adays


you just have way too much anti-semitism in you, i afraid it might be too late.

if israel are so bad, why would they release in farsi, their technology and procedures to drastically increase water retention and supply to Iran, for free btw.

explain to me like im 5, how you can spin that into them being evil still.

you just hate jews, and its okay, you're allowed to.
but stop meshing you're viewpoint and hate together.


I was not sure what to make of your posts in this thread so i had to ask for help. this is what i get:

Your messages come across as driven by identity-protective reasoning and black-and-white thinking—your views on Israel seem so tied to your sense of morality that any disagreement feels like a personal attack, which is why you jump to accusing me of bigotry instead of engaging with what I’m saying. You treat your own claims as unquestionable “facts” while dismissing anything that contradicts them as propaganda, which shows a lot of cognitive rigidity. The mockery, insults, personal attacks and rapid topic jumps act like dominance tactics, flooding the conversation so you don’t have to deal with nuance. It doesn’t make you confident—it makes it look like you’re defending a worldview that feels too fragile to examine honestly.

its not safe to converse with you so i'll just ignore your posts from now on. no hard feelings.
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in Khan Younis – after an evacuation order – dozens of Palestinians fleeing were struck by tank fire and airstrikes, even though the area was supposed to be humanitarian.
in al-Mawasi, a zone Israel itself designated as a “humanitarian safe area,” there have been multiple attacks.
Meanwhile, the UN has repeatedly warned that displaced Palestinians who heed evacuation orders are targeted in the very corridors they were told to take.


Do you believe that leaving was anywhere near as dangerous as staying? Obviously the biggest threat to those leaving was Hamas, since, again, they urged civilians to stay to act as human shields whereas it was in Israel's best interest to clear the area of non-combatants. But still, you can do some quick math and easily see that keeping your children there was still indefensible. This isn't even an argument as far as I can tell. It's at best a fucking footnote on how terrible a human being you have to be to keep your children there.

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Do you believe that leaving was anywhere near as dangerous as staying? Obviously the biggest threat to those leaving was Hamas, since, again, they urged civilians to stay to act as human shields whereas it was in Israel's best interest to clear the area of non-combatants. But still, you can do some quick math and easily see that keeping your children there was still indefensible. This isn't even an argument as far as I can tell. It's at best a fucking footnote on how terrible a human being you have to be to keep your children there.


The claim that Gazans are responsible for their own deaths because they “should have left” reflects a misunderstanding of forced displacement so elementary that most first-year history students grow out of it. Anyone who has actually studied how state power controls movement — rather than just reciting timelines — knows that civilians cannot meaningfully “choose” to evacuate when the borders, the routes, and the conditions of escape are fully controlled by the same military force conducting the assault. For nearly twenty years, UN officials and human rights observers have described Gaza as “the world’s largest open-air prison.” There’s a reason for that: unlike normal borders, Gaza’s crossings are sealed, militarized, and technologically monitored. There is no open frontier, no neutral territory, no spontaneous exit. You cannot blame people for not leaving a place they are literally enclosed within.

If you want a real-world contrast: there is no wall between the United States and Canada. People cross that border on foot, by car, by ferry, by accident, without even realizing it in some places. But between Gaza and Israel, there isn’t a “border” in the conventional sense — there is an electrified perimeter, controlled gates, remote-operated guns, watchtowers, motion sensors, and armed forces. It is a cage. So when someone talks as if Gazans could simply “head north” the way a U.S. citizen could walk into Canada, they’re not making a historical argument; they’re demonstrating they don’t understand the basic physical reality.

And when we examine what happened during the evacuation orders themselves, the argument collapses further. In Khan Younis, civilians walking along officially designated evacuation routes were killed by tank fire and airstrikes. In al-Mawasi — a “humanitarian safe area” Israel itself designated — multiple strikes hit civilians who had complied with every instruction. The UN repeatedly warned that Palestinians were being targeted in the exact corridors they were ordered to take. This is textbook forced displacement under constrained movement: the evacuating power controls the roads and makes them lethal. You’re speaking with the confidence of someone who’s never actually analyzed displacement logistics, border control regimes, or evacuation bottlenecks in historical case studies.

History already teaches us how this logic works. During the westward displacement of Native Americans, U.S. authorities claimed tribes “should leave for their own safety.” But whether they stayed or left, they died, because the military controlled the timing, the routes, the rations, and the checkpoints. The Cherokee followed every removal order and still lost thousands on the Trail of Tears. The Navajo complied and starved at Bosque Redondo. In every major case of coerced relocation, historians agree that when the dominant power controls the exit conditions, “choice” becomes an illusion — and blaming the victims for not escaping is historically illiterate.

So when someone insists that Gazan civilians are at fault for “staying,” they’re not presenting a tough-minded military analysis or historical insight. They’re just recycling a debunked narrative that collapses the moment you study a single case of forced displacement. If staying is deadly, and leaving is deadly, and the controlling power seals the exits and strikes the escape routes, then the civilians never had a choice at all. And blaming people trapped behind a cage for not escaping it is not history — it’s excuse-making dressed up as confidence.
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Do you believe that leaving was anywhere near as dangerous as staying? Obviously the biggest threat to those leaving was Hamas, since, again, they urged civilians to stay to act as human shields whereas it was in Israel's best interest to clear the area of non-combatants. But still, you can do some quick math and easily see that keeping your children there was still indefensible. This isn't even an argument as far as I can tell. It's at best a fucking footnote on how terrible a human being you have to be to keep your children there.


Done intentionally to set off another Israel land grab.
Greater Israel would be here already if it wasn't for those pesky Palestinians in the way.
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The claim that Gazans are responsible for their own deaths because they “should have left” reflects a misunderstanding of forced displacement so elementary that most first-year history students grow out of it. Anyone who has actually studied how state power controls movement — rather than just reciting timelines — knows that civilians cannot meaningfully “choose” to evacuate when the borders, the routes, and the conditions of escape are fully controlled by the same military force conducting the assault. For nearly twenty years, UN officials and human rights observers have described Gaza as “the world’s largest open-air prison.” There’s a reason for that: unlike normal borders, Gaza’s crossings are sealed, militarized, and technologically monitored. There is no open frontier, no neutral territory, no spontaneous exit. You cannot blame people for not leaving a place they are literally enclosed within.

If you want a real-world contrast: there is no wall between the United States and Canada. People cross that border on foot, by car, by ferry, by accident, without even realizing it in some places. But between Gaza and Israel, there isn’t a “border” in the conventional sense — there is an electrified perimeter, controlled gates, remote-operated guns, watchtowers, motion sensors, and armed forces. It is a cage. So when someone talks as if Gazans could simply “head north” the way a U.S. citizen could walk into Canada, they’re not making a historical argument; they’re demonstrating they don’t understand the basic physical reality.

And when we examine what happened during the evacuation orders themselves, the argument collapses further. In Khan Younis, civilians walking along officially designated evacuation routes were killed by tank fire and airstrikes. In al-Mawasi — a “humanitarian safe area” Israel itself designated — multiple strikes hit civilians who had complied with every instruction. The UN repeatedly warned that Palestinians were being targeted in the exact corridors they were ordered to take. This is textbook forced displacement under constrained movement: the evacuating power controls the roads and makes them lethal. You’re speaking with the confidence of someone who’s never actually analyzed displacement logistics, border control regimes, or evacuation bottlenecks in historical case studies.

History already teaches us how this logic works. During the westward displacement of Native Americans, U.S. authorities claimed tribes “should leave for their own safety.” But whether they stayed or left, they died, because the military controlled the timing, the routes, the rations, and the checkpoints. The Cherokee followed every removal order and still lost thousands on the Trail of Tears. The Navajo complied and starved at Bosque Redondo. In every major case of coerced relocation, historians agree that when the dominant power controls the exit conditions, “choice” becomes an illusion — and blaming the victims for not escaping is historically illiterate.

So when someone insists that Gazan civilians are at fault for “staying,” they’re not presenting a tough-minded military analysis or historical insight. They’re just recycling a debunked narrative that collapses the moment you study a single case of forced displacement. If staying is deadly, and leaving is deadly, and the controlling power seals the exits and strikes the escape routes, then the civilians never had a choice at all. And blaming people trapped behind a cage for not escaping it is not history — it’s excuse-making dressed up as confidence.


Lol what are you even talking about? We don’t need to “study historic case files”. Hundreds of thousands of people left Gaza. Hundreds of thousands of people did the thing you just used five paragraphs to try to convince me was impossible. Study that historic case file and let me know why it was impossible for anyone else to do.

A few dozen of those hundreds of thousands who evacuated died compared to tens of thousands of those who stayed.

Your argument is nonsense.

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Lol what are you even talking about? We don’t need to “study historic case files”. Hundreds of thousands of people left Gaza. Hundreds of thousands of people did the thing you just used five paragraphs to try to convince me was impossible. Study that historic case file and let me know why it was impossible for anyone else to do.

A few dozen of those hundreds of thousands who evacuated died compared to tens of thousands of those who stayed.

Your argument is nonsense.



stay and they died, flee and they died, shelter where they were told to go and they died.

Stay - In Gaza City and northern Gaza, civilians who stayed were hit repeatedly, including entire neighborhoods flattened even when no evacuation route existed for the sick, elderly, or injured.
Flee - In Khan Younis, civilians following Israel’s evacuation instructions were killed by tank fire and airstrikes while moving along the designated corridors.
Shelter - In al-Mawasi, the “humanitarian safe zone” Israel itself designated, multiple strikes killed families who had already evacuated exactly where they were told to go.

That’s the pattern. Staying is deadly, fleeing is deadly, and the shelter is deadly. Your argument is that they all should have fled. Well, if you see your neighbors fleeing a war zone and then getting bombed while they flee, would you flee?

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stay and they died, flee and they died, shelter where they were told to go and they died.

Stay - In Gaza City and northern Gaza, civilians who stayed were hit repeatedly, including entire neighborhoods flattened even when no evacuation route existed for the sick, elderly, or injured.
Flee - In Khan Younis, civilians following Israel’s evacuation instructions were killed by tank fire and airstrikes while moving along the designated corridors.
Shelter - In al-Mawasi, the “humanitarian safe zone” Israel itself designated, multiple strikes killed families who had already evacuated exactly where they were told to go.

That’s the pattern. Staying is deadly, fleeing is deadly, and the shelter is deadly. Your argument is that they all should have fled. Well, if you see your neighbors fleeing a war zone and then getting bombed while they flee, would you flee?


tbh i'd still have fled gaza city, if i could have. im all over the first pages of the original thread saying just that. if people had to literally grab their kids and walk out, do it. because hellfire was coming. but that doesn't in any way excuse the attacks on humanitarian zones or humanitarian corridors. those are war crimes. if anything it makes it worse. gaza city was earmarked for destruction by October 8th. the rest has been an unmitigated disaster.

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