Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 8 2023 09:09pm)
Focusing on human rights (which often is just a selectively applied tool) misses the essence of this conflict and how existential it is. 50 years ago a bunch of Muslim countries got together and conspired to completely wipe out the Jews from that land, not to pacify them, not to prevent some sort human right but to eradicate them. We literally just saw dozens of pics and videos from southern Israel, of women and kids loaded up and kidnapped to serve as human shields. A concert with a bunch of hippies massacred. That is the reality of who Israel has to guard against.
80 years ago the Mufta of Jerusalem had a conversation with Hitler where they discussed how to get rid of the Jews once and for all from the region.
Focusing on 'human rights' is so myopic. If I was an Israeli Jew and my ancestors survived that, you think I'd give a fuck about peoples human rights that want to exterminate me like an animal? Would you?
Focusing on rights isn’t myopic, rather doesn’t have to be. it just requires flexibility and not being emotionally tied to one idea or perspective
as egregious as it was 80 years ago, Israel fortunately had support of the super powers, and rightly so, allowing them not only to survive but to flourish and prosper.
They have continued to have the support of the super powers and as they became stronger have slowly yet consistently and illegally committed abuses/expansions spanning decades. These are not really up for debate and Israel themselves have largely conceded, alleging they would stop. They haven’t
One doesn’t have to take ‘sides’ in conflicts all the time. Israel is guilty of quite a few shenanigans over a significant length of time. Hamas is a radicalized scum organization that should be wiped off the planet but like the mob they stay in power because the only $$ that enter Palestine are through terrorist funding Iran. When you have a society beaten for generations and there is only one source of $$$ coming, this is the shit fest that happens.
Fortunately we live in America as civilians (most of us, I know there are some brave ones here), and as such we can afford to be more objective without actual skin in the game. If you’re incapable of criticizing a side, rather both sides, then some reflection is required.
This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 8 2023 08:34pm