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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 6 2020 01:15pm)
They are much more dependent on us then we are on them. Bargaining power comes from a position of strength, our 20 trillion dollar economy dwarfs their 1.6 trillion dollar economy so for them to try to do anything to bring the US into submission would be the height of stupidity.


How american of you to think strength comes only from economic might.

canada is currently part of a 2 country efforts to regulate their border with us. and the US is the primary beneficiary of this. the canadian border has become the new leaking point for immigrants, maybe they'll just stop patrolling. does this cost Trump billions of dollars to offset? no. but his entire campaign was built on the effectiveness of a border with Mexico being close-able.

also Canada allows us to ship through their waters, which speaks to economic might concerns.

sure they're dependent on us, but they can strike a deal with the EU also. and a tariff campaign isnt a blockade, see: china-US 2016 to now.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 6 2020 11:15am)
They are much more dependent on us then we are on them. Bargaining power comes from a position of strength, our 20 trillion dollar economy dwarfs their 1.6 trillion dollar economy so for them to try to do anything to bring the US into submission would be the height of stupidity.


sweet more mental exercises coming from the base, as we pick fights with our allies.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 6 2020 02:59am)
7708 people die per day in the US on average. Are you now magically attributing them all to COVID19? If not, then the only ones that don't have to wait for a coroner's report regarding cause of death are the frighteningly obvious, such as bullet wounds to the head.

This count the bodies bullshit isn't merely hyperbole, it's a clear indication of your need for the actual impact of COVID19 to be much higher than it truly is.

Edit: On a side note, on April 4th the CDC released that the Flu has reached Epidemic levels this year. It has infected and killed over the threshold required. AKA FAR more than COVID19. Just FYI. :)



If someone dies of an otherwise treatable health issue that went untreated because the system was over whelmed by covid-19 patients how is that one counted?
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If someone dies of an otherwise treatable health issue that went untreated because the system was over whelmed by covid-19 patients how is that one counted?


That one isn't counted as covid. Which is why we could consider the larger impact of covid beyond the reported statistics. Collateral deaths are going to be huge if health care resources are depleted for the next 6 months.

But there is some legitimate debate as to how causes of deaths should be reported: https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/rajasthan-debates-cause-of-death-as-second-covid-19-patient-dies-in-bhilwara-1660106-2020-03-26

Like, if a person with a pre-existing condition gets covid and then dies, how should the cause of death be reported? In a practical sense, you can make the argument for either cause since "they would still be alive if they hadn't contracted the other one". But in a technical sense, it's hard to track back exactly which cluster of cells caused which specific organ to fail.

In some cases, even hospital administration gets involved and sets a policy regarding how the decision should be made. Their involvement can lead to accusations of "agendas" being involved by trying to push the numbers one way or the other.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 6 2020 01:23pm
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That one isn't counted as covid. Which is why we could consider the larger impact of covid beyond the reported statistics. Collateral deaths are going to be huge if health care resources are depleted for the next 6 months.

But there is some legitimate debate as to how causes of deaths should be reported: https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/rajasthan-debates-cause-of-death-as-second-covid-19-patient-dies-in-bhilwara-1660106-2020-03-26

Like, if a person with a pre-existing condition gets covid and then dies, how should the cause of death be reported? In a practical sense, you can make the argument for either cause since "they would still be alive if they hadn't contracted the other one". But in a technical sense, it's hard to track back exactly which cluster of cells caused which specific organ to fail.

In some cases, even hospital administration gets involved and sets a policy regarding how the decision should be made. Their involvement can lead to accusations of "agendas" being involved by trying to push the numbers one way or the other.



I mean thats the whole thing about this disease that idiots like bob don’t understand.
If you take 10,000 people and give the the flu and 10,000 get cov-19 and everyone is treated to the best ability of curent medicine whether that requires 100 or 5000 icu / respirators maybe the death rates are similar.

But back in reality when 10,000 or 100,000 people get sick at the same time and there’s only 100 beds available and 1000 are needed there’s 900 people that could die easily of an ‘non dangerous easily treatable’ disease.

This post was edited by remco6 on Apr 6 2020 01:30pm
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BoJo moved to ICU...

Not looking too hot for him.

The first leader of a country who has it this bad right?
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Quote (balrog66 @ Apr 6 2020 02:30pm)
BoJo moved to ICU...

Not looking too hot for him.

The first leader of a country who has it this bad right?


oofff..... yeah im not aware of any other serious cases among world leaders.
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Quote (balrog66 @ Apr 6 2020 02:30pm)
BoJo moved to ICU...

Not looking too hot for him.

The first leader of a country who has it this bad right?


yeah this is big
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