Do you two disagree with my take a large number of people saw no tangible improvement under Obamacare?

Like... if 20-25% of the population see a big benefit from a policy while 75-80% get next to nothing out of it, while their premiums and deductibles go up - is it fair to criticize this policy? Is it really surprising when such a policy turns out to be polarizing and only of middling popularity?

You're certainly right that Obamacare has not been an abject failure. But it surely wasnt a resounding success either.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 14 2019 04:55am

In terms of what it set out to do it was a success. Only thing off the top of my head it totally failed at was cost control, but honestly thats not gonna get solved without fundamental changes to our system.

It's always fair to criticize the policy, it should have gone further and included government plans as a stepping stone to nationalization, but it was never supposed to solve every problem.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 14 2019 05:17am

it wasnt meant to be a resounding success so you aren't allowed to judge it on that criteria

judging a government policy's success is like judging a fish climbing a tree, dontcha know?

obamacare coerced people to buy (more expensive) health insurance so more people bought health insurance. success!!!!

please no one mention that obama promised $2500 cheaper premiums when running for president on the policy and that its called the affordable care act.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 14 2019 05:03am

This post doesnt solve every healthcare problem and is therefore a failure.

Yes clearly obamacare just falls short of solving every healthcare problem. People just have unrealistically high standards! Certainly no valid criticisms have been made!

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 14 2019 05:10am

This post hasnt stopped the impeachment inquiry and is therefore a failure.

You're 0 for 2 so far, step up your game

Luckily i never advertised my post as a means to stop the impeachment inquiry and there is no reasonable expectation that it would be aimed at stopping it. False equivalency.

Didnt fix the tarrifs situation.

Zero for 3

The only people it hasn't affected positively are those who work and can't qualify for medicaid but don't earn enough to buy health insurance. A lot of these people out there, paying out of pocket for primary care and unable to see specialists like cardiologist, psychiatrists, pulmonologist, etc.

People who have commercial insurance can now use their insurance. People who couldn't afford insurance typically are covered by medicaid. Not that poor people actually apply for medicaid but it gives hospitals a chance to recoup some money lost because we can't say no when people come in for life saving treatment.

The biggest problem an American health care was pre existing conditions and has been addressed pretty effectively. People just are not getting denied for pre existing conditions anymore when there is necessary stabilization.

But in reality there's no point in describing the affordable care act the people who think it's a different thing than Obama care....so to me it's pretty moot.

Conservatives complained about rural electrification when it happened as a waste of taxpayers dollars. They will literally complain about every change uncritically lol.

Americans have better health insurance 1/2 of them are complaining about it. Keep in mind it is the same half who didn't know the affordable care act Obama care were different things.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 14 2019 05:16am

That's not a sufficient criterion imho.




Just an example:


Person A: "The Trump tax cuts were a failure. They ballooned the deficit, caused an economic flash in the pan that lasted less than 12 months, most middle class folks only saw minor returns, some paid even more than before because of the elimination of the SALT deductions, and the vast majority of the tax cuts went to the top 10%."
Person B: "But that's what the Trump tax cuts set out to do. They delivered on what their goal was, therefore, they have to be considered a success."
Person A: "But it's still a shit policy?!?!"

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 14 2019 05:22am