Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 27 2023 03:19pm)
Right, so a bit of political math here:
-hamas' stated goal is the complete destruction of israel
-high % of gaza population supports hamas (even previous to these attacks, now far more support hamas imo)
and the world says "#freepalestine, 2 state solution".
gaza right now is a 2 million person nation who by the above math wants israel destroyed, and they should be set free and given complete control of the country? gosh, i wonder what they'll do with that freedom. probably just enjoy freedom, right?
in 2022 israel fired 147 airstrikes into gaza, in response to 1100 hamas rockets fired into israel. and 49 gazans were killed in those air strikes. this was incredible restraint, they've given power and electricity, even work permits to enter israel. fast forward, 1500 israelis were killed. that's 30 years of the gazan 2022 death toll in a single day.
and still, israel is making a grave mistake. they just dont have a choice really. the best choice was to continue down the road to saudi peace. thats really what hamas would hate. but who has ever done that? who's ever been the victim of a terror attack and done nothing? france maybe? i cant think of any solid example.
i did an edit in my above, sec reading your post now.
Those numbers dont make sense to me, your saying only 1500 people in gaza were killed by israel over a 30 year period? Can you clarify ?
Also by all measures Israel is far more technologically advanced and comparing Israel's weapons to Hamas weapons (rockets/missiles), it heavily favors Israel. I mean, they are armed by the USA.
your not wrong re: Saudi Peace ofc. Hamas should reconsider their stated goal.
/afk re-familiarizing myself with the definition of terrorism.
Definitions of terrorism are usually complex and controversial, and, because of the inherent ferocity and violence of terrorism, the term in its popular usage has developed an intense stigma. It was first coined in the 1790s to refer to the terror used during the French Revolution by the revolutionaries against their opponents. The Jacobin party of Maximilien Robespierre carried out a Reign of Terror involving mass executions by the guillotine. Although terrorism in this usage implies an act of violence by a state against its domestic enemies, since the 20th century the term has been applied most frequently to violence aimed, either directly or indirectly, at governments in an effort to influence policy or topple an existing regime.
Terrorism is not legally defined in all jurisdictions; the statutes that do exist, however, generally share some common elements. Terrorism involves the use or threat of violence and seeks to create fear, not just within the direct victims but among a wide audience. The degree to which it relies on fear distinguishes terrorism from both conventional and guerrilla warfare. Although conventional military forces invariably engage in psychological warfare against the enemy, their principal means of victory is strength of arms. Similarly, guerrilla forces, which often rely on acts of terror and other forms of propaganda, aim at military victory and occasionally succeed (e.g., the Viet Cong in Vietnam and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia). Terrorism proper is thus the calculated use of violence to generate fear, and thereby to achieve political goals, when direct military victory is not possible. This has led some social scientists to refer to guerrilla warfare as the “weapon of the weak” and terrorism as the “weapon of the weakest.”
In order to attract and maintain the publicity necessary to generate widespread fear, terrorists must engage in increasingly dramatic, violent, and high-profile attacks. These have included hijackings, hostage takings, kidnappings, mass shootings, car bombings, and, frequently, suicide bombings. Although apparently random, the victims and locations of terrorist attacks often are carefully selected for their shock value. Schools, shopping centres, bus and train stations, and restaurants and nightclubs have been targeted both because they attract large crowds and because they are places with which members of the civilian population are familiar and in which they feel at ease. The goal of terrorism generally is to destroy the public’s sense of security in the places most familiar to them. Major targets sometimes also include buildings or other locations that are important economic or political symbols, such as embassies or military installations. The hope of the terrorist is that the sense of terror these acts engender will induce the population to pressure political leaders toward a specific political end.
im just going to link this as there is alot here:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/terrorism/Types-of-terrorismThis post was edited by ferdia on Oct 27 2023 08:34am