This. The main reason why Obama care failed is because it was a shit program, not because it was govt run.

The reason Obamacare failed was that it mostly increased the degree of redistribution between various groups within a fundamentally broken system, without making any suitable efforts to fix the underlying problems.

Then there’s those ^^. Yes Obamacare was a horrible plan and was honestly nothing but a tax bill to poor people who couldn’t afford the same damn insurance that was already there. Wtf was that garbage.

I do completely agree that healthcare can be reformed and even that it needs to, but there has to be a solid plan so that kinda garbage doesn’t happen again. There needs to be a clearly defined way that it gets paid for and people actually need to be covered, not just charged if they are not covered.

Great, I'm glad I spent all that time showing why you CAN'T compare healthcare in the US to any single country. :/
Reading is fundamental.





The reason Obamacare failed is because it (just like the current plans) relied on money that wasn't there, hadn't been appropriated, and wouldn't have succeeded even if the money had been there.







But don't let reality stand in the way of this unceasing set of pipe dreams. :/

literally Huge amounts of people

It fixed some big problems. Lifetime maximums, birth control coverage, mental health coverage, set a maximum on administrative costs, preexistimg conditions, greatly increased number covered, expanded Medicaid, etc. Obamacare did more than people think if you dig into the details.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 13 2019 04:59pm

Yeah it was pretty great and a huge success. No point in engaging with this through. They didn't lose their home to medical bankruptcy because their new cancer was a preexisting condition. Had to see my parents go through that before they died.

The only bad thing about ACA is the poor quality of the market place plans offered.

Health insurance was the only product you could buy and not get and it be legal lol.

Health insurance also adds no value to the clinician - patient relationship.

This post was edited by Skinned on Nov 13 2019 05:31pm

I mean he's from Germany. It's usually pretty hard for somebody from a functioning system to realize just how deeply our system is fucked up, and how big of a difference Obamacare actually made.