You have already admitted to not paying attention during Obamas administration.

There was a ton of racism just barely below the surface. He basically ignored race the first two or so years but was constantly accused of inflaming racial tensions.

Seriously lol. The tea party was holding up nooses and "go back to Africa" signs before the Kochs astroturfed it.

They are not. There is nothing inherently wrong with EOs. What is inherently wrong and bad for democracy is the increasing tendency of government-via-EO.


I dont disagree, but nonetheless think that that's not how it should be. Too much power in the hands of the executive is bad for democracy. It also, by the way, helps reinforce polarization and toxicity. Presidential elections have arguably become so contentious and divisive because the stakes have gotten so high... too high if you ask me.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 26 2021 01:02pm

Please let me know which you think are overreach. 1 week is not a trend.

this is a strawman. do better.

we're discussing what caused a congressional blockade of both president's policies.

with regards to obama he was blockaded before he ever took office, via a tea party uprising in the legislature within which racism was pervasive.

trump on the other hand doesnt have any such element in play, his rhetoric and policy alone are to blame for the deeply divided legislature he had to work with, or in reality not to work with.

if we say that Trump had rhetoric against him, and obama had race AND rhetoric against him (without even bothering to control for levels of bad rhetoric, which we should of course) then simple math eliminates both cases of rhetoric and leaves only race.

again, it is the comparison i find silly. not critique of each individual white house in a vacuum, which is completely legitimate.

What the fuck are you talking about? Obama had trifecta control with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for his first two years in office. Was there a groundswell of opposition against him during those years? Yes, but it only affected his ability to govern after 2010. Obama had the momentum, the mandate and the legislative majorities to pass whichever policy he wanted between 2008 and 2010. Perhaps racism exacerbated the usual midterm-backlash and increased the scope of his party's losses, but he would presumably have lost the House even without it. The results he produced with his golden opportunity just werent good enough.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 26 2021 01:30pm

You're arguing yourself. the results were lackluster, but also so terribly scary that the midterm flop he got 2 years in was a result of his agenda. the tea party rose in the 2008 election as a result of racism, they simply couldnt overturn the tide of obama's CHANGE driven coalition of voters. it wasn't until midterms that they were able to seize control based on fairly silly fear mongering AND a diedown of enthusiasm because Obama's coalition was only there for Obama not the downticket races that followed. you can start a blockade long before it becomes successful, ask any pirate. as you said, he had a super majority able to end around such legislative blockades, he didnt need GOP bipartisan help. the fact that he didnt have bipartisan support is a separate issue from his ability to pass laws with a supermajority. just listen to HRC and company cry about how hard it was to get Obamacare into law, despite such majority. this was due to the blockade.

what im talking about is fairly basic logic, and a simple factual timeline.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-deportation-moratorium-halted-federal-judge/



I guess Biden, like Trump, may face some challenges from the judiciary.

Do you know the final count on Trump's federal judges?

234

they both got blockaded into oblivion. it was disheartening to see both times the fucking useless rest of our bloated government do fuck all.

we did get free universal affordable healthcare out of it though