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Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 11 2019 04:42pm)


Did you even read the politifact article?
I did, then i watched the video, politifact are correct.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 11 2019 10:15pm)
Did you even read the politifact article?
I did, then i watched the video, politifact are correct.


:wacko:

they raised their motherfucking hands what have you been smoking?
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 12 2019 02:16pm)
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they raised their motherfucking hands what have you been smoking?


One: only half the candidates were there, two: Not all of the candidates even support free healthcare, Three: Not all of the candidates support giving it to illegals.
So its mostly bullshit.
Putting your hand up to say everyone would be covered under your system, does NOT mean it would be free or at others expense.
Almost every candidate has a different proposal, yang and sanders ideas are completely different.
Read the damn article.
Or watch the follow up questions on the SAME VIDEO.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Nov 11 2019 09:21pm
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 11 2019 10:18pm)
One: only half the candidates were there, two: Not all of the candidates even support free healthcare, Three: Not all of the candidates support giving it to illegals.
So its mostly bullshit.
Putting your hand up to say everyone would be covered under your system, does NOT mean it would be free or at others expense.
Almost every candidate has a different proposal, yang and sanders ideas are completely different.
Read the damn article.
Or watch the follow up questions on the SAME VIDEO.


You are the most hard headed mother

Where else is the frigging money going to come from?
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 11 2019 09:18pm)
One: only half the candidates were there, two: Not all of the candidates even support free healthcare, Three: Not all of the candidates support giving it to illegals.
So its mostly bullshit.
Putting your hand up to say everyone would be covered under your system, does NOT mean it would be free or at others expense.
Almost every candidate has a different proposal, yang and sanders ideas are completely different.
Read the damn article.
Or watch the follow up questions on the SAME VIDEO.


you're arguing a straw man
lets go back to the actual article;

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2019/nov/08/joe-gruters/florida-gop-chair-wrongly-says-every-democrat-deba/
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/11/07/watch-live-election-2020-conversation-with-floridas-top-republican-top-democrat/?fbclid=IwAR0SsXmkpt0Mn7pb777YUk71FOv3edZkoKXbqc1SgQ8NbYjf1w4TB6a9Ozk

Gruters wasn't talking about "all the candidates in the whole race", he said;

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"All the Democrats on the entire stage — every Democratic candidate said they want to give free health care to illegals," Gruters said during a Tampa Bay Times forum Nov. 6. "That’s them saying, that’s what they said in the debate. It wasn’t me saying it. They raised their hands — every single one of them — free health care for illegals."


the rest of their 'fact check' quibbles over what 'free healthcare' is and whether it would actually wind up giving free healthcare to illegals.
And in every plan on that stage- it would. It would give free healthcare to a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens and make others pay in at an overall taxpayer expense. There was no caveat that it has to be all free healthcare for 100% of illegal aliens, that's a ridiculous straw man that politifact themselves argued against Gruters. He said they want to give free healthcare to illegals, and under all the plans that make illegal aliens allowed on medicaid or turn absorb medicaid into medicare or otherwise supplant it with a zero-cost bottom tier, that's just what it does. And its obviously true that illegal aliens are going to cost far more from social services than they're going to pay in, drastically imbalancing the benefits and revenue.

Googling it, in my state right now the barebones catastrophic plan for non-employer private health insurance is about $200-250/month and $7000-8000 deductible and gives shit benefits with limits, no dental, vision, etc. The average bum on the street however has all expenses paid by the government with no premium or deductible, even more federally guaranteed benefits. How many illegal aliens would be paying the former as opposed to receiving the latter under Warrencare?
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you're arguing a straw man
lets go back to the actual article;

https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2019/nov/08/joe-gruters/florida-gop-chair-wrongly-says-every-democrat-deba/
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/11/07/watch-live-election-2020-conversation-with-floridas-top-republican-top-democrat/?fbclid=IwAR0SsXmkpt0Mn7pb777YUk71FOv3edZkoKXbqc1SgQ8NbYjf1w4TB6a9Ozk

Gruters wasn't talking about "all the candidates in the whole race", he said;



the rest of their 'fact check' quibbles over what 'free healthcare' is and whether it would actually wind up giving free healthcare to illegals.
And in every plan on that stage- it would. It would give free healthcare to a disproportionate amount of illegal aliens and make others pay in at an overall taxpayer expense. There was no caveat that it has to be all free healthcare for 100% of illegal aliens, that's a ridiculous straw man that politifact themselves argued against Gruters. He said they want to give free healthcare to illegals, and under all the plans that make illegal aliens allowed on medicaid or turn absorb medicaid into medicare or otherwise supplant it with a zero-cost bottom tier, that's just what it does. And its obviously true that illegal aliens are going to cost far more from social services than they're going to pay in, drastically imbalancing the benefits and revenue.

Googling it, in my state right now the barebones catastrophic plan for non-employer private health insurance is about $200-250/month and $7000-8000 deductible and gives shit benefits with limits, no dental, vision, etc. The average bum on the street however has all expenses paid by the government with no premium or deductible, even more federally guaranteed benefits. How many illegal aliens would be paying the former as opposed to receiving the latter under Warrencare?


Trump and Republicans: "The Dems want to give free healthcare to illegal aliens"
Politifact: "We rate this statement as 'mostly false' - first, they never said that this healthcare would be 'free', second, only 5 of the 6 Democrats on the stage raised their hands. (Ha, gotcha, Trumptards!)"
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