Quote (fender @ Jan 25 2021 04:50pm)

what? pretty much everyone knows thor.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2021 11:25am)

Biden's penchant for EOs is not just out of step with whatever the hell Trump was doing, it's also unusual compared to Obama, W. Bush and Clinton. Misconduct or bad practices by Trump are not an excuse for misconduct or bad practices by the Biden amdin. :rolleyes:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2021 12:25pm)

Biden's penchant for EOs is not just out of step with whatever the hell Trump was doing, it's also unusual compared to Obama, W. Bush and Clinton. Misconduct or bad practices by Trump are not an excuse for misconduct or bad practices by the Biden amdin. :rolleyes:

Quote (IceMage @ Jan 26 2021 11:53am)

According to Wikipedia Trump had 55 executive orders per year, compared with Obama's 35 per year. I don't recall any Trump supporters here criticizing that increase.

This may just be evidence that Biden's team was more prepared than Trump's to get the executive orders through at the outset of the administration.

Although, I'm not sure why executive orders are inherently bad. To me, it just looks like governing.

Quote (IceMage @ 26 Jan 2021 18:53)

According to Wikipedia Trump averaged 55 executive orders per year, compared with Obama's 35 per year. I don't recall any Trump supporters here criticizing that increase.

Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Jan 2021 18:56)

i asked them repeatedly, and pre him passing Obama it was "he is still less than obama" and post him passing it was "well it's nanci and chucks fault for stonewalling".

Quote (IceMage)

This may just be evidence that Biden's team was more prepared than Trump's to get the executive orders through at the outset of the administration.

Quote (IceMage)

Although, I'm not sure why executive orders are inherently bad. To me, it just looks like governing.

Quote (thesnipa)

even tho he held the senate, and even tho when mitch stonewalled obama for 6 years they cheered, loudly. these dumb dumbs just cant get it right.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2021 12:23pm)

55 per year is a different ballpark than 33 within just one week. And Trump had just 4 within his first year in office in 2017, when his party had trifecta control (like Biden does now.)


True, I expect Biden to slow down after the initial flurry of preplanned EOs. Still an alarming pace.


The executive slowly usurping powers from the legislative is a disturbance to the system of checks and balances, and therefore bad.


When a president cant get policy passed through Congress because the voters had specifically taken away control from his party, the expectation is that he either stops passing policy, or works really hard for genuine bipartisan compromise instead of stubbornly pushing ahead. (And for the record: Obama and Trump are both massively guilty of that.)

Conversely, it is an indictment for a president to have majorities in both chambers of Congress and resort to executive authority nonetheless, without even trying to find legislative majorities. For example, if Biden wants to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and grant amnesty, he should put these issues up for debate in Congress instead of trying to ram them through via EO. If Congress gridlocks on them, he can still go back to the EO route...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jan 2021 19:23)

55 per year is a different ballpark than 33 within just one week. And Trump had just 4 within his first year in office in 2017, when his party had trifecta control (like Biden does now.)


True, I expect Biden to slow down after the initial flurry of preplanned EOs. Still an alarming pace.


The executive slowly usurping powers from the legislative is a disturbance to the system of checks and balances, and therefore bad.


When a president cant get policy passed through Congress because the voters had specifically taken away control from his party, the expectation is that he either stops passing policy, or works really hard for genuine bipartisan compromise instead of stubbornly pushing ahead. (And for the record: Obama and Trump are both massively guilty of that.)

Conversely, it is an indictment for a president to have majorities in both chambers of Congress and resort to executive authority nonetheless, without even trying to find legislative majorities. For example, if Biden wants to stop the Keystone XL pipeline and grant amnesty, he should put these issues up for debate in Congress instead of trying to ram them through via EO. If Congress gridlocks on them, he can still go back to the EO route...

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 26 2021 01:23pm)

55 per year is a different ballpark than 33 within just one week. And Trump had just 4 within his first year in office in 2017, when his party had trifecta control (like Biden does now.)


True, I expect Biden to slow down after the initial flurry of preplanned EOs. Still an alarming pace.


The executive slowly usurping powers from the legislative is a disturbance to the system of checks and balances, and therefore bad.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 26 2021 12:30pm)

the thing is that Trump brought the lack of bipartisan reality on himself with deeply divisive statements and countless fumbles. Obama got into the same situation by being black. honestly, look back, one of obama's greatest "gaffes" was saying "he could have been my son" in response to a kid who was shot. and this was WELL before the facts of the case were clear, and it was an empathetic but rushed statement. Trump called literal KKK members fine people. they were holding up mannequins of Obama with nooses around the necks before he was even elected.

when i hear the two compared i just have to laugh, its a riot really. i didnt even like obama, but holy LOL.

Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Jan 2021 19:30)

the thing is that Trump brought the lack of bipartisan reality on himself with deeply divisive statements and countless fumbles. Obama got into the same situation by being black. honestly, look back, one of obama's greatest "gaffes" was saying "he could have been my son" in response to a kid who was shot. and this was WELL before the facts of the case were clear, and it was an empathetic but rushed statement. Trump called literal KKK members fine people. they were holding up mannequins of Obama with nooses around the necks before he was even elected.

when i hear the two compared i just have to laugh, its a riot really. i didnt even like obama, but holy LOL.

Quote (fender @ 26 Jan 2021 19:34)

i love how all of a sudden you pretend to care about executive overreach, checks and balances, and going through congress instead of ruling by executive order. funny how that wasn't a problem when trump issued an EO that lead to the longest shutdown in US history over his stupid wall project.

absolutely amazing how shamelessly hypocritical you are, as if people couldn't recognise blatant partisan hackery, lol.