Quote (joswann1 @ Dec 29 2022 06:34am)
I dont need some fairy tale god's fake fairy tale forgiveness
You do though.
Psalm 53:1-3
1 The fool says in his heart,
“There is no God.”
They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 God looks down from heaven
on all mankind
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.
3 Everyone has turned away, all have become corrupt;
there is
no one who does good,
not even one.
Now let's look at Romans 3:9-20
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:
“
There is no one righteous, not even one;
11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
13 “Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
14 “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
You want to talk about being a "decent" human being? Even if you break one sin and never sin again, you are still guilty of sin.
James 2:8-10
If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever
keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
The standard that was set is perfection, something that we can never do. Jesus is the only one who has ever lived the perfect, sinless life. I don't care how "decent" of a human being you are, you still fail to meet the mark. You can do all these good and wonderful things but they won't save you. You have a huge debt to pay which will be paid in death. What you deserve is to be cut off from the source of life. The only way you can avoid that terrible fate is if your debt is forgiven. The issue was never about whether God exists or not, even if He were to show himself before you, that still won't resolve the heart of the issue, that being sin. You can read the Old Testament and see that the Israelite's had no issue at all whether or not God existed and yet they still stumbled in sin.
You need forgiveness as you are not righteous in God's eyes and it's His judgement that you should care about. You cannot justify yourself by your works. The Bible has made that part very clear.