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Oct 27 2023 01:40am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 27 Oct 2023 08:17)
Maybe this announcement is a little more neutral ? Maybe.........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0Zb9iUi0JM


A little, but not really. The clip makes it seem as if the Israeli occupation of the Palenistian areas is the main cause of this conflict and goes to great lengths to stress that this occupation violates international law. What it conveniently forgets to mention is that the occupation continues because of the ongoing refusal by the Palestinians (and the Arab neighbors who are using them as pawns) to accept Israel's right to exist. Or the multiple wars of aggression which Israel's neighbors waged against them, presumably with genocidal intent. Wars which were violations of international law too, but nobody seems to care about that.

Or how the the current occupation stems from Israel emerging victorious from these wars and expanding its territory accordingly. Which is the perfectly normal outcome when one side starts a war and gets curbstomped. Imagine if Germany was still staking out claims to Eastern Prussia and Kaliningrad today and constantly reeing about how Poland/Russia "violated international law" when they displaced the German population and annexed these places. :rofl:
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Oct 27 2023 01:41am
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A little, but not really. The clip makes it seem as if the Israeli occupation of the Palenistian areas is the main cause of this conflict and goes to great lengths to stress that this occupation violates international law. What it conveniently forgets to mention is that the occupation continues because of the ongoing refusal by the Palestinians (and the Arab neighbors who are using them as pawns) to accept Israel's right to exist. Or the multiple wars of aggression which Israel's neighbors waged against them, presumably with genocidal intent. Wars which were violations of international law too, but nobody seems to care about that.

Or how the the current occupation stems from Israel emerging victorious from these wars and expanding its territory accordingly. Which is the perfectly normal outcome when one side starts a war and gets curbstomped. Imagine if Germany was still staking out claims to Eastern Prussia and Kaliningrad today and constantly reeing about how Poland/Russia "violated international law" when they displaced the German population and annexed these places. :rofl:


Well, it is the age of Enshittenment. World is fucked for now......maybe it will be better soon...maybe... :rofl:
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Oct 27 2023 02:43am
https://twitter.com/emanumiller/status/1717580754736021513

Not long after midnight on October 7, 47-year-old Bedouin bus driver Yussuf al-Ziadana dropped off a customer at the Supernova music festival.

A few hours later, at dawn, Yussuf received a frantic call from that same passenger, begging Yussuf to return and get him out of the hell that was unfolding.

Most people would think twice. Many would stay far away. Not Yussuf. He drove straight back into the line of fire, crammed thirty people on board his bus, and saved their lives.

Yussuf met today with Israel's President, Isaac Herzog. He told the President how his family are agricultural workers with strong ties to the many Kibbutzim in the Negev.

Herzog said, "I was excited to meet in Rahat an Israeli hero, Yussuf Al-Ziadana, who with unusual courage and determination saved the lives of least thirty young people that black Saturday from the festival in Re'im, including those who were wounded."

Yussuf said, "I am an Israeli citizen and I knew that I had to go and save them".
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Oct 27 2023 04:14am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 27 2023 08:40am)
A little, but not really. The clip makes it seem as if the Israeli occupation of the Palenistian areas is the main cause of this conflict and goes to great lengths to stress that this occupation violates international law. What it conveniently forgets to mention is that the occupation continues because of the ongoing refusal by the Palestinians (and the Arab neighbors who are using them as pawns) to accept Israel's right to exist. Or the multiple wars of aggression which Israel's neighbors waged against them, presumably with genocidal intent. Wars which were violations of international law too, but nobody seems to care about that.

Or how the the current occupation stems from Israel emerging victorious from these wars and expanding its territory accordingly. Which is the perfectly normal outcome when one side starts a war and gets curbstomped. Imagine if Germany was still staking out claims to Eastern Prussia and Kaliningrad today and constantly reeing about how Poland/Russia "violated international law" when they displaced the German population and annexed these places. :rofl:


What about Palestinian rights to exist ? Is Israel not continuing to steal lands via these settlements (that the entire world bar Israel and the USA is voting against ?), I mean one can say that one side wants to wipe the other side off the map, but the reality as we look at these images of city blocks being leveled is that Israel is wiping the Palestinians off the map, and we are seeing quotes to dehumanize the Palestinian "animals", which i assume is intended to mean that as they are not human, they dont have human rights?

One side has sticks and stones and the other has nuclear weapons, is it any wonder the guys with sticks and stones (who are dying in their 1000's) would hope for the day that their jailers were gone ?

Lets make it very simple:

Do you think the bombing of civilian cities, namely, Gaza, is a war crime. Yes or No.

to be clear: what Hamas did was a war crime, what Israel is currently doing is also a war crime. if not a war crime, why is it not a war crime? How in the world can Israel hope to get more allies around the world if they are no better then Hamas ? I am not trying to agitate anyone here, obviously Hamas are barbaric in their own "special way", but I mean, look at what we are seeing right now. How is this not also barbaric in its own way? This policy of bombing civilians makes no sense to me whatsoever. You get rid of Hamas today, but in killing all these civilians they are setting up a decades long (or centuries long) problem when all the children that are not dead, grow up with a grudge.

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Oct 27 2023 06:20am
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What about Palestinian rights to exist ? Is Israel not continuing to steal lands via these settlements (that the entire world bar Israel and the USA is voting against ?), I mean one can say that one side wants to wipe the other side off the map, but the reality as we look at these images of city blocks being leveled is that Israel is wiping the Palestinians off the map, and we are seeing quotes to dehumanize the Palestinian "animals", which i assume is intended to mean that as they are not human, they dont have human rights?

One side has sticks and stones and the other has nuclear weapons, is it any wonder the guys with sticks and stones (who are dying in their 1000's) would hope for the day that their jailers were gone ?

Lets make it very simple:

Do you think the bombing of civilian cities, namely, Gaza, is a war crime. Yes or No.

to be clear: what Hamas did was a war crime, what Israel is currently doing is also a war crime. if not a war crime, why is it not a war crime? How in the world can Israel hope to get more allies around the world if they are no better then Hamas ? I am not trying to agitate anyone here, obviously Hamas are barbaric in their own "special way", but I mean, look at what we are seeing right now. How is this not also barbaric in its own way? This policy of bombing civilians makes no sense to me whatsoever. You get rid of Hamas today, but in killing all these civilians they are setting up a decades long (or centuries long) problem when all the children that are not dead, grow up with a grudge.


There is no policy to bomb civilians. The policy is to bomb Hamas activists and Hamas infrastructure. Civilians are in the way, that’s what happens in war.
You can’t look at this war and say “what happened to Israel is horrible BUT..” or to start with the stupid claims about sticks and stone vs nukes. Not relevant.
The last sentence is simply historically false. Look at USA and Japan for example.
Hey, I’ll very much like peace and will like to snap my fingers and Hamas will be gone without any other else getting hurt, it just doesn't work like that. Like it or not, you make peace with the strong. Just look at Israel’s agreements with Jordan and Egypt.. they didn’t came because we were nice.

This post was edited by WhiteSouned on Oct 27 2023 06:21am
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Oct 27 2023 06:48am
I am happy the Israeli government finally understands that in the middle east you cant have the values of the europeans and the americans
In the middle east people understands violence and hopefully Once and for all Israel will show them what they are made of.

Death to Hamas and Hezbollah

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Oct 27 2023 06:52am
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I am happy the Israeli government finally understands that in the middle east you cant have the values of the europeans and the americans
In the middle east people understands violence and hopefully Once and for all Israel will show them what they are made of.

Death to Hamas and Hezbollah


But do you not understand that with all these bombings you are creating tomorrow's Hamas ?
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Oct 27 2023 06:56am
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But do you not understand that with all these bombings you are creating tomorrow's Hamas ?


This doctrine is irrelevant and not necessarily true.

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This doctrine is irrelevant and not necessarily true.


But from a historical standpoint it is true here, can you agree with this statement ?
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Oct 27 2023 07:00am
Quote (ferdia @ 27 Oct 2023 15:52)
But do you not understand that with all these bombings you are creating tomorrow's Hamas ?


We already have hamas
And this is how they protect their civilians:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy20MX5KPcl/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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