This is the type of embarrassing anti-intellectualism I hate.
I don't watch fox outside of a few clips on YouTube.
You have no point.

I would rather say neither of them deserves too much credit for the state of the economy. Obama wasnt responsible for the huge recession he inherited, but neither does he deserve too much praise for overseeing the inevitable recovery (which was helped a ton by huge deficits and quantitive easing by the Fed).

Similarly, Trump doesnt deserve too much praise for running with the great economy he inherited, particularly when considering the fact that he keeps on producing huge deficits during the best possible economic times. Trump deserves some praise for extending an already very mature bull market with his business friendly policies and tax cuts, but also has to bear the blame for the trade wars and the corresponding uncertainty/market slowdown. These two points more or less cancel each other out in terms of praise/criticism.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 7 2019 11:43pm

The irony level you bring is off the charts.
You have no critical thinking. I don't even watch youtube.
so your point is? as usual made up and complete bs.
I have points YOU don't understand them as you are brainwashed, so why bother "debating" with fact deniers etc.
Say whatever you like. I don't have time for your idiocy.
"deep state" makes it all happen. Just stick with that.
LOL
PZ

I'm generally in favor of the presidency getting way less credit for most things. We need to move them back into a role as government administrator.... an executive... if you will... and viewed less as "he's at the top, so everything's his fault/success".

The economy recovered under Obama, continued to recover under Trump, but the same problems that were getting worse under Obama have continued to get worse under Trump even if some of the metrics we try to use continue to improve. Nobody's regulated the financial industry which is going to implode in a 2008 esque way eventually, healthcare continues to be an issue and nobody is trying to take a serious stand on it anymore, etc. etc.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Nov 7 2019 11:49pm

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_oppo_researcher_120996.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fox-news-guest-names-alleged-whistleblower-eric-ciaramella-after-network-warns-hosts-against-it



/e We're gonna need a new meme for "less than a nothing burger". :/



/ee Maybe a nothing burger with a side of zilch fries.

This post was edited by Ghot on Nov 8 2019 12:32am

Why are you still on the whistle-blower? He was just there to get the ball rolling, we've got plenty of direct witnesses that confirmed his claims.

No we don't. We have tons of 2nd and 3rd hand info still.

Like I said: A nothing burger with a side of zilch fries.

Definitely. Obama was a very dominant president, he micromanaged a lot of his cabinet, oversaw his party atrophying on the state level and in terms of bench depth, and he was a figurehead and inspiration for his side and a lightning rod for the other side. Trump is even worse and very deliberately makes everything revolve around him since he's a narcissist.

In a sense, the Trump presidency is the logical end point of the continually growing personality cult about the POTUS. Both sides totally obsess over him.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 8 2019 01:06am