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Nov 6 2019 09:53pm
Quote (fender @ Nov 6 2019 10:25pm)


do you ever get tired of uncritically perpetuating lies like that? literally no one claimed 'the world is ending', or called for an outright 'ban of several energy sources'. you're indistinguishable from FOX news in your messaging. stop lying, you hack.


Are you wildly ignorant of the subject matter or just dishonest, unjustifiably arrogant and hostile?

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"US is 20% of total emissions. We must get to 0 by 2030 and lead the world in a global Green New Deal."

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Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy

-Green New Deal FAQ

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'Yes, we are calling for a full transition off fossil fuels and zero greenhouse gases.
Anyone who has read the resolution sees that we spell this out through a plan that calls for eliminating greenhouse gas emissions from every sector of the economy.'

-Green New Deal FAQ

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Is nuclear a part of this?

A Green New Deal is a massive investment in renewable energy production and would not include creating new nuclear plants. It’s unclear if we will be able to
decommission every nuclear plant within 10 years, but the plan is to transition off of nuclear and all fossil fuels as soon as possible.

-Green New Deal FAQ

Several Democrat candidates for president are against Nuclear energy and have endorsed the green leap forward.

“I think the part of it that is generational is that millennials and people, in Gen Z, and all these folks that come after us are looking up and we’re like, the world is gonna end in 12 years if we don’t address climate change. And your biggest issue, your biggest issue is how are going to pay for it? — and like this is the war, this is our World War II.”
-AOC

Now that the information is in front of you, its time for you to apologize for being wrong and scummy.
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Nov 6 2019 09:53pm
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Nov 7 2019 02:44pm)
I know it is a shocking revelation to you but uhh, just because someone thinks you are a moron does not make them "righty".

If you are trying to solve the left wing propaganda of the world exploding (again) without noting thorium or nuclear, you have 0 idea of what the fuck you are talking about.

Good luck trying to store that energy and ignoring the waste that comes with it moron.


Calm down, not going to debate someone who gets so enraged over online debate.
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Nov 6 2019 09:59pm
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Nobody is saying renewables are perfect, but they're definitely better than oil and coal even with their downsides.



Right now they are supplemental sources of energy.

What happens when the sun doesn’t shine for months at a time or the wind doesn’t blow?

Oil & coal are a steady and reliable source of energy. it’s unrealistic to completely stop using these sources. Reduce, sure. Get off them in the next 10-15 years, no chance.

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Nov 6 2019 10:04pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 6 2019 10:53pm)
Calm down, not going to debate someone who gets so enraged over online debate.


Uh huh.
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Nov 6 2019 10:13pm
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Right now they are supplemental sources of energy.

What happens when the sun doesn’t shine for months at a time or the wind doesn’t blow?

Oil & coal are a steady and reliable source of energy. it’s unrealistic to completely stop using these sources. Reduce, sure. Get off them in the next 10-15 years, no chance.


When exactly does the sun not shine for months? My home town has been in drought for 7 years.
Keep in mind clouds do not stop solar energy.

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Nov 6 2019 10:14pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 6 2019 09:59pm)
Right now they are supplemental sources of energy.

What happens when the sun doesn’t shine for months at a time or the wind doesn’t blow?

Oil & coal are a steady and reliable source of energy. it’s unrealistic to completely stop using these sources. Reduce, sure. Get off them in the next 10-15 years, no chance.


"When the sun doesn't shine" isn't really a concern with solar. They don't need full blast sun to be worth using, and when they get hot in full-blast sun they lose efficiency anyway. When I was doing a school report in 2011 it was already the case that even on super cloudy days your roof could fit enough solar panels to power your home's full energy needs. We're way beyond that point in efficiency now.

The only real issue for these forms of power is baseline energy use, which can be solved using improved storage technology or by implementing more consistent tech on the back like nuclear.

Still, we should be 30 years ahead on these things. The reason we need radical action now is because we didn't invest 30 years ago and let the gains pile up.
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Nov 6 2019 10:15pm
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Nov 7 2019 12:04am)
Uh huh.


If not for your overwhelming rage and wrath i'm sure he totally would have made some compelling arguments. Its too bad really.
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Nov 6 2019 10:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 6 2019 11:14pm)
"When the sun doesn't shine" isn't really a concern with solar. They don't need full blast sun to be worth using, and when they get hot in full-blast sun they lose efficiency anyway. When I was doing a school report in 2011 it was already the case that even on super cloudy days your roof could fit enough solar panels to power your home's full energy needs. We're way beyond that point in efficiency now.

The only real issue for these forms of power is baseline energy use, which can be solved using improved storage technology or by implementing more consistent tech on the back like nuclear.

Still, we should be 30 years ahead on these things. The reason we need radical action now is because we didn't invest 30 years ago and let the gains pile up.


If the solar panels don't work 100% of the time, that increases the cost. Hence I'm still right
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Nov 6 2019 10:22pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 6 2019 10:20pm)
If the solar panels don't work 100% of the time, that increases the cost. Hence I'm still right


Hence, you are terrible at math and even worse at science.
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Nov 6 2019 10:22pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 6 2019 11:14pm)
"When the sun doesn't shine" isn't really a concern with solar. They don't need full blast sun to be worth using, and when they get hot in full-blast sun they lose efficiency anyway. When I was doing a school report in 2011 it was already the case that even on super cloudy days your roof could fit enough solar panels to power your home's full energy needs. We're way beyond that point in efficiency now.

The only real issue for these forms of power is baseline energy use, which can be solved using improved storage technology or by implementing more consistent tech on the back like nuclear.

Still, we should be 30 years ahead on these things. The reason we need radical action now is because we didn't invest 30 years ago and let the gains pile up.



Under cloudy weather it’s down to like 10-20% effectiveness.

Again, not reliable as a lone source of energy, difficult to store, etc.

I have no problem with solar or wind energy. I do however take issue with dumb fucks that think we can supply all of our energy needs with it. Even if you ignore the storage issue or unreliability, global supply demand needs for energy make it impossible for awhile.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 6 2019 10:24pm
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