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Nov 6 2019 06:52pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 6 2019 07:32pm)
30 years of nothing and suddenly we are being hysterical for asking for change?


What change? You literally never give a solution, just complaints.

Nuclear and Biofuel are the only alternatives to hydrocarbons and those cost too many $/MWh to transition to on a wide scale.
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Quote (thundercock @ Nov 6 2019 08:35pm)
How do you define the term "Democrat Party?"


I see where you are going with that, but the graphic they are 'fact checking' just says Democrats, not the entire party.

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dems-impeach-gop-presidents/

You left out some important information:

What's True

Articles of impeachment were introduced against five of the six Republican presidents who have served since President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
What's False

Articles of impeachment were not introduced against President Gerald Ford; a handful of Democratic politicians filed articles of impeachment against President George H. W. Bush Sr. and President Ronald Reagan but their efforts did not receive the backing of the entire Democratic party; and the impeachment efforts against President Richard Nixon received bipartisan support.


Yes the partisan, biased and disreputable outlet added selective information and statements to push a 'fact check' narrative downplaying factual Democrat efforts to impeach several of the most recent Republican presidents.

The fact that it was 5/6 instead of every single one remains amusing and true.


Quote (Plaguefear @ Nov 6 2019 08:32pm)
30 years of nothing and suddenly we are being hysterical for asking for change?


Do you think merely 'asking for change' is an accurate summary of what is going on and a proper account of what someone means when talking about climate change 'hysteria'?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Nov 6 2019 07:18pm
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Nov 6 2019 06:59pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 6 2019 04:52pm)
I see where you are going with that, but the graphic they are 'fact checking' just says Democrats, not the entire party.



Yes the partisan, biased and disreputable politifact added selective information and statements to push a 'fact check' narrative downplaying factual Democrat efforts to impeach several of the most recent Republican presidents.

The fact that it was 5/6 instead of every single one remains amusing and true.




Do you think merely 'asking for change' is an accurate summary of what is going on and a proper account of what someone means when talking about climate change 'hysteria'?


That's not true. The claim literally says "Democratic Party." I remember some GOPers writing articles of impeachment for Obama and Clinton WAS impeached. I can't speak for Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, etc. but I think all we really have here is that there are a couple of loose cannons during every presidency. That's the House for you!
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Nov 6 2019 07:04pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ 7 Nov 2019 01:48)
Meanwhile here in Australia the great barrier reef is on life support, it supports 70,000 jobs and a lot of income.
Half our country is on fire and you cant insure homes north of the equator.


yeah that's what so many people who embraced the condescending 'of course it's a bit of a problem, but no reason for hysteria' simply don't seem to get. the point of outright PREVENTING immense financial, cultural, and political drawbacks due to manmade climate change has long passed. we are just approaching new threshholds that mark significant tipping points of FURTHER escalation - but i guess that's hard to communicate to someone who simply doesn't WANT it to be true, and whose party's donors spent billions on misleading the public into thinking that all it means is marginally warmer summers, and maybe an increased risk of a dotard scribbling on a weather map with their sharpie, because they can't admit they made a mistake.
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Nov 6 2019 07:05pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 7 2019 11:52am)
I see where you are going with that, but the graphic they are 'fact checking' just says Democrats, not the entire party.



Yes the partisan, biased and disreputable politifact added selective information and statements to push a 'fact check' narrative downplaying factual Democrat efforts to impeach several of the most recent Republican presidents.

The fact that it was 5/6 instead of every single one remains amusing and true.




Do you think merely 'asking for change' is an accurate summary of what is going on and a proper account of what someone means when talking about climate change 'hysteria'?


I think after 30 years of being ignored the current situation is tame.
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Nov 6 2019 07:08pm
Quote (thundercock @ Nov 6 2019 08:59pm)
That's not true. The claim literally says "Democratic Party." I remember some GOPers writing articles of impeachment for Obama and Clinton WAS impeached. I can't speak for Carter, Johnson, Kennedy, etc. but I think all we really have here is that there are a couple of loose cannons during every presidency. That's the House for you!

This is the graphic i was talking about that is from their article:



I agree republicans have wanted to impeach multiple democrats as well. Most of them on both sides probably deserved it.

I just thought the screenshot was amusing/interesting.

-Did you know Democrats have tried to impeach every Republican president since Eisenhower?
-WRONG! its only 5 out of 6! Got em!
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Nov 6 2019 07:13pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 6 2019 05:08pm)
This is the graphic i was talking about that is from their article:
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/09/9A1FE12F-DF93-4007-B8EB-A6FF7B6F9422.jpeg


I agree republicans have wanted to impeach multiple democrats as well. Most of them on both sides probably deserved it.

I just thought the screenshot was amusing/interesting.

-Did you know Democrats have tried to impeach every Republican president since Eisenhower?
-WRONG! its only 5 out of 6! Got em!


But that's like saying "Jews don't want Israel to exist." There are some ultra-orthodox Jews who are very much against the state of Israel for religious reasons. However, the vast majority of Jews want it to exist. Just like the vast majority of Democrats didn't want to impeach both Bush presidents, Reagan, etc. It's a nonsensical and HIGHLY misleading meme.
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Nov 6 2019 07:24pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 7 2019 12:08pm)
This is the graphic i was talking about that is from their article:
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/09/9A1FE12F-DF93-4007-B8EB-A6FF7B6F9422.jpeg


I agree republicans have wanted to impeach multiple democrats as well. Most of them on both sides probably deserved it.

I just thought the screenshot was amusing/interesting.

-Did you know Democrats have tried to impeach every Republican president since Eisenhower?
-WRONG! its only 5 out of 6! Got em!


The word every has a meaning, 5/6 is not every president.
So yes it is wrong.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ 7 Nov 2019 01:52)
What change? You literally never give a solution, just complaints.

Nuclear and Biofuel are the only alternatives to hydrocarbons and those cost too many $/MWh to transition to on a wide scale.


- shifting the focus from subsidising fossil fuel with billions of taxpayer money to investing into research and development of renewable energy.
- not dropping out of international commitments to mitigate global warming.
- stopping the wholesale abolition of environmental protection laws.
- educating those that are uninformed but open minded, and don't just reject the idea for partisan reasons.
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Nov 6 2019 07:43pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Nov 7 2019 11:52am)
What change? You literally never give a solution, just complaints.

Nuclear and Biofuel are the only alternatives to hydrocarbons and those cost too many $/MWh to transition to on a wide scale.


Wind, solar, hydro and battery technology has plenty of untapped potential because all the government money goes towards propping up coal.
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