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Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 5 2020 09:01pm)
https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

can someone explain to me why the federal government and state level governments are competing in the states over medical supplies during a pandemic? our provincial and federal govts seem to get along fine up here despite differences in politics when there is a crisis


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“The federal government's not supposed to be out there buying vast amounts of items and then shipping,"
“Governors are suppose to do a lot of this work. We’re not a shipping clerk.”
"Well, we do like you going out, seeing what you can get if you can get it faster, and prices always a component of that also, And maybe that's why you lost to the feds, I'll tell you that's probably why." (from trump)

"the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile, it’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use." (from kushner, going as far as to change the website to reflect this sudden mission statement change)

"Massive amounts of medical supplies, even hospitals and medical centers, are being delivered directly to states and hospitals by the Federal Government. Some have insatiable appetites & are never satisfied (politics?). Remember, we are a backup for them. The complainers should...
....have been stocked up and ready long before this crisis hit. Other states are thrilled with the job we have done. Sending many Ventilators today, with thousands being built. 51 large cargo planes coming in with medical supplies. Prefer sending directly to hospitals." (more trump)


So basically it's because the governors aren't grateful and the supplies belong to the frat party.

And evidently there's trouble in paradise. https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-white-house-01306286-0bbc-4042-9bfe-890413c6220d.html

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So what part of america is not the states if trump thinks federal supplies are not for states?
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Apr 5 2020 07:52pm
Amazon is asking for public donations to pay its delivery drivers to keep operating, trickle down at its finest.
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Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 5 2020 09:01pm)
https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

can someone explain to me why the federal government and state level governments are competing in the states over medical supplies during a pandemic? our provincial and federal govts seem to get along fine up here despite differences in politics when there is a crisis


Because scarcity.

Are liberals really that clueless?
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 5 2020 08:58pm)
Because scarcity.

Are liberals really that clueless?


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Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 5 2020 06:49pm)
So what part of america is not the states if trump thinks federal supplies are not for states?


Texas is not part of California is not part of New York. Each state has a different agenda, and is designed to look after it's own interest, not the interests of it's neighboring states.

The Federal government exists as an attempt to unite the states and insure that in critical scenarios they work together for the "common good" of all states, as opposed to doing something that will fracture the nation.

Healthcare isn't really a state thing. Financials that assist with healthcare, such as medicaid, medicare, ACA marketplace, insurance regulations, etc. the states are a massive part of. However, when it comes to hospitals, private practices, etc. the actual Healthcare is all privatized.

So if the actual health care institutions in half the states cannot get their hands on the material necessary to provide that care due to the fact that the state entities of the other half the states have gone and panic-bought out the market, then you have a scenario where some states have actively harmed the people of other states, rather than just looked out for their own.

In theory, the federal government preventing the states from monopolizing medical supplies would serve to insure that those who need those supplies can get them. In reality, the idea that either form of government should be directly controlling healthcare resources, as opposed to simply regulating the use of those resources, is absolutely frightening.

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Amazon is asking for public donations to pay its delivery drivers to keep operating, trickle down at its finest.


Yeah, some people are hoarding toilet paper and attempting to sell it at $50/roll. What's your point? Requesting donations you don't need isn't illegal, so Amazon has simply found a legal method of gouging. Are you surprised?
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 5 2020 10:01pm)
Yeah, some people are hoarding toilet paper and attempting to sell it at $50/roll. What's your point? Requesting donations you don't need isn't illegal, so Amazon has simply found a legal method of gouging. Are you surprised?


His entire modus operandi is pretending to be offended.
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Quote (duffman316 @ Apr 5 2020 09:01pm)
https://wfpl.org/federal-government-outbids-kentucky-for-medical-equipment-amid-shortage/

can someone explain to me why the federal government and state level governments are competing in the states over medical supplies during a pandemic? our provincial and federal govts seem to get along fine up here despite differences in politics when there is a crisis




Well, we all know that there is not enough PPE for all the states. That pretty much means that there needs to be some oversight. Who can we call on for this oversight. Not Kentucky, they are biased for their own needs.
Currently Kentucky has 995 cases, and NY for example has 123,000 cases. Is it fair for Kentucky to hoard PPE supplies?

The article is making it sound like the Federal Govt. is hoarding. They're not. The Fed is splitting up the supplies to the various states as per their needs. Until we have a surplus of PPE gear, this is the way it should be handled.



/e Some times I think some states forget that we are the UNITED States. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

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For those who like to wait for verified information, as opposed to media-based information that may or may not pan out:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview.html

and

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm

are incredibly relevant. Keep in mind reporting is going to be quite a ways behind what you see on something like worldview. But any death where the patient had or is strongly suspected of having covid19 even if it was not the cause of their death, or even a contributing factor, will still be attributed to it on worldview.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 6 2020 12:01pm)
Texas is not part of California is not part of New York. Each state has a different agenda, and is designed to look after it's own interest, not the interests of it's neighboring states.

The Federal government exists as an attempt to unite the states and insure that in critical scenarios they work together for the "common good" of all states, as opposed to doing something that will fracture the nation.

Healthcare isn't really a state thing. Financials that assist with healthcare, such as medicaid, medicare, ACA marketplace, insurance regulations, etc. the states are a massive part of. However, when it comes to hospitals, private practices, etc. the actual Healthcare is all privatized.

So if the actual health care institutions in half the states cannot get their hands on the material necessary to provide that care due to the fact that the state entities of the other half the states have gone and panic-bought out the market, then you have a scenario where some states have actively harmed the people of other states, rather than just looked out for their own.

In theory, the federal government preventing the states from monopolizing medical supplies would serve to insure that those who need those supplies can get them. In reality, the idea that either form of government should be directly controlling healthcare resources, as opposed to simply regulating the use of those resources, is absolutely frightening.



Yeah, some people are hoarding toilet paper and attempting to sell it at $50/roll. What's your point? Requesting donations you don't need isn't illegal, so Amazon has simply found a legal method of gouging. Are you surprised?


Not surprised, not offended, just over it.
Right now I feel like I am the only person in my country paying tax and not getting handouts.
Now even fortune 500's are begging for handouts.
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