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Oct 28 2019 06:09pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 28 Oct 2019 19:53)
Yep, our little icemage has done a lot of growing up and acquired a much more nuanced view on media.


nuanced =\= believe things like ‘russia hacked the election and electric grid in vermont)
and yet in that same timeframe you haven’t grown up to the point where you can feed yourself without the support of mommie-in-law and state subsidy

all that pale pasty lefty privilege wasted


Quote (cambovenzi @ 28 Oct 2019 19:51)
hmm...





a decade+ of #resisting the President and all icepeon has done is fall in love with the tabloids he used to hate
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 28 2019 07:08pm)
So right-wing politicians don't have to 'pretend' MSM are biased, because they clearly are biased.

Recognizing that some of their journalism is pretty good (even though they have a severe bias and have countless fuckups and scandals) is a valid observation.

I just thought it was curious that you would post those things and later try to claim people are anti-intellectual for calling out biased media outlets.


IceMage has never, ever, pretended that mainstream media outlets are not biased. However, he regularly rails against posters who make arguments to the effect of "MSM outlets are biaised, therefore everything they report cannot be said to have any basis in truth".
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Oct 28 2019 06:17pm
Quote (excellence @ Oct 28 2019 08:09pm)
nuanced =\= believe things like ‘russia hacked the election and electric grid in vermont)
and yet in that same timeframe you haven’t grown up to the point where you can feed yourself without the support of mommie-in-law and state subsidy

all that pale pasty lefty privilege wasted

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a decade+ of #resisting the President and all icepeon has done is fall in love with the tabloids he used to hate


I don't know if you were around here for it, but not that long ago icemage would run around saying he wants the most conservative candidate possible..


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IceMage has never, ever, pretended that mainstream media outlets are not biased. However, he regularly rails against posters who make arguments to the effect of "MSM outlets are biaised, therefore everything they report cannot be said to have any basis in truth".


First part was me referencing what he just posted, claiming right-wing politicians have to 'pretend' the media is biased. So i asked him about it.

The faux-quote in the 2nd part of what you said is a caricature.
The idea that the MSM is very biased and corrupt and should not be blindly believed or trusted is a reasonable position to hold. That is not to say that everything they say has no basis in truth whatsoever.
Sure if someone says everything the media reports is wrong that would be incorrect.
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Oct 28 2019 06:19pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 28 2019 08:17pm)
I don't know if you were around here for it, but not that long ago icemage would run around saying he wants the most conservative candidate possible..


Iirc he still supports having a conservative majority on the supreme court?
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Oct 28 2019 06:21pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 28 2019 08:05pm)
There's a significant bias on the right-wing side economically. If we had a bias-free media they would have been calling out every politician and pundit for the past 20+ years on global warming, but instead we had a long period of "here's both sides", or sometimes outright refusing to cover stories because it was about an advertiser. Similarly even the most libertarian organizations estimate the total savings for a national healthcare system would be in the trillions over ten years compared to what we are paying now, but they consistently have stories about "how are we gonna pay for it!".

So the bias can go either way to a significant degree depending on the subject. There are a ton of issues that would have been settled decades ago with an objective media.


The establishment and normalcy bias is stronger than any "left-wing" bias, for sure. But these are nuances the right-wing can't understand. They can't step back from their emotions and think rationally.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 28 2019 08:08pm)
So right-wing politicians don't have to 'pretend' MSM are biased, because they clearly are biased.

Recognizing that some of their journalism is pretty good (even though they have a severe bias and have countless fuckups and scandals) is a valid observation.


They aren't biased in the way(and/or to the extent) that Republican politicians pretend they are.

I just think it's dishonest from the right. They'll accept mainstream journalism as legitimate until it hurts the ideas they have or the leaders they revere.

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I just thought it was curious that you would post those things and later try to claim people are anti-intellectual for calling out biased media outlets.


Well, it's 9 years ago. And it's an appeal to the dopey notion that "one instance of the media being biased or incorrect means they all are". Media outlets change. I view Fox News as mostly propaganda, with CNN and MSNBC being much closer to reality.

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Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 28 2019 08:19pm)
Iirc he still supports having a conservative majority on the supreme court?


I would hope so.

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Well, it's 9 years ago. And it's an appeal to the dopey notion that "one instance of the media being biased or incorrect means they all are". Media outlets change. I view Fox News as mostly propaganda, with CNN and MSNBC being much closer to reality.


and therein lies a problem.

They are worse than trash, but have a big reach that shapes some people's views and (mis)understanding of issues and reality.
Certainly explains a lot.

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The establishment and normalcy bias is stronger than any "left-wing" bias, for sure. But these are nuances the right-wing can't understand. They can't step back from their emotions and think rationally.

Immature sweeping generalizations/insults inconsistent with reality.
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Oct 28 2019 06:34pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 28 2019 08:19pm)
Iirc he still supports having a conservative majority on the supreme court?


Yes.

I know, it's a weird idea. Supporting a particular interpretation on the court without sucking the balls of the president who appoints them. I'm such a contrarian.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Oct 28 2019 08:26pm)
and therein lies a problem.

They are worse than trash, but have a big reach that shapes some people's views and (mis)understanding of issues and reality.
Certainly explains a lot.


Anyone who doesn't have some intellectual growth in 9 years strikes me as suspect.



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Oct 28 2019 06:38pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 28 2019 08:34pm)
Yes.

I know, it's a weird idea. Supporting a particular interpretation on the court without sucking the balls of the president who appoints them. I'm such a contrarian.



Anyone who doesn't have some intellectual growth in 9 years strikes me as suspect.


Intelligent adults who are grounded in their ideology seldomly have seismic shifts in their ideologies. The word you're looking for is impressionable rather than intellectual.
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Quote (IceMage @ Oct 28 2019 08:34pm)
Yes.

I know, it's a weird idea. Supporting a particular interpretation on the court without sucking the balls of the president who appoints them. I'm such a contrarian.



Anyone who doesn't have some intellectual growth in 9 years strikes me as suspect.


Thats regression, not growth.
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Oct 28 2019 06:39pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Oct 28 2019 08:38pm)
Intelligent adults who are grounded in their ideology seldomly have seismic shifts in their ideologies. The word you're looking for is impressionable rather than intellectual.


^also this is a great post
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